Aqua-Soft Forumsi always thought it was other people mistaking chinese characters for japanese ones. and now i'm being told that we're mistaking japanese characters for chinese ones. so what exactly is chinese and japanese? 
i'd rather stick with the mindset that japanese characters would be those kanji characters with just a few strokes.
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Originally posted by innate@Aug 21 2003, 07:08 AMActually, that translates as "bare hands enter white sword".
Enter as in "going in".
Hi, in Chinese the "enter" actually means "bare hands let the sword in." not "bare hands enter the sword.".
Trust me. It's ancient Chinese grammar, really.
Originally posted by [teknision,Aug 21 2003, 02:11 PM] i always thought it was other people mistaking chinese characters for japanese ones. and now i'm being told that we're mistaking japanese characters for chinese ones. so what exactly is chinese and japanese?
japanese takes as its origin chinese characters (5th century, i think), the "kanji" part of modern japanese. also imported were the pronunciations, which is why they have different ways of saying the words. other japanese characters constitute hiragana, katakana, etc., which look distinctly non-chinese.
It is all very kind of you all to help me...
Jian Xa and the scene described sounds very interesting but the origin of this technique won't be seen.
Also, there should be only 2 types of people using this technique; apprentices and masters. The whole technique is in fact also a lifestyle, it is a defensive technique so basically they attack when their life depends on it. They reject thieves,pirates outlanders, traitors and men with political power. They live unseen.
The thing is, only one of them managed to become a "pirate" and that's mainly the reason why this technique is known to the rest of the world.
Now if japaneese sounds more appropriate then i'm all go for it. The technique has to sound as if it was authentic, very old and not invented. (that's also why i suggested it to people who speak Hakka since it is an old language)
youngou, thank you very much for your translation i'll let you know if you're the winner...but uhm, how would i pronounce that????
livecn, thank you very much for your translationg, i've watched it and it's kinda like that but tell me, what you gave me, is it actually the same word as used in the animatrix? Also would i have to say: kong shou rou bai ren everytime i wanna name the technique???
To all: Rain gave me a good point, should the master basically break the sword apart or simply stop it????
Magnolium, personally I would like to pronounce the whole term everytime I call it. It sounds professional in Chinese, really. 
ok thanks, so is it really the same technique as in the animatrix?
Yes. The term I mentioned is actually the traditional Chinese name of the skill in Animatrix. (Well, as far as I know, it is.)
well, i think i forgot to mention that there're more than one way of saying bladestopping in chinese. because the language is such a sophisticated combination of ancient etiquette and modern evolvement. and speaking of sophistication, how u speak it in mandarin is rather different from how u mean it in cantonese. right, so much for the history and variation.
since animatrix is a japanese animation, therefore if u're refering the term from it, u need to ask those who actually speaks japanese. maybe they'll be able to provide u the japanese version of such characters. yes, livecn's term is perhaps closest in meaning, and mine sounds more oral in one hand.
actually, do u wanna be able to pronounce it as well, i thought you only needed it for graphic use, hehehe.... tell me what pronouciation u want it to speak, cantonese or mandarin. 
hey, guess what, i've decided not to leave the job after dinner cos i have absolutely no idea how long it's gonna take to cook and eat. 
so here's another try from me, i've updated a little since my last translation, so here're the differences:
- i've changed the typeface (font), it looks really ancient and japanese (but not japanese) now
- the first set was in simplified chinese, and this set is in traditional chinese
- pronounciation included, but it's not exactly pin yin, i've altered a little bit for english speaking people, so it doesn't sound really weird when u say the words to any chinese
- some characters are replaced with those which (i think) have closer meanings
all right that's it, anymore query please do ask away. be glad to help anytime :canadian:
@Magnolium. The best way to stop a sword, should be rendering it useless, unless he wants to execute the move all the time, which requires him to use his "CHI" which also meant energy in Chinese.
Chi, is an energy following within each human body. With the correct breathing technique, you are able to move it aroound your body and concentrate it on a spot of your body, namely, palms, legs, back, or wherever you want it, through alot of practice.
The profound Chinese martial arts are based on Chi itself. Unlike Karate, TKD, Judo, Akido and Ninjintsu (please do not think what you watch on NARUTO is true) are just simplified form of their chinese counterparts.
In China, there's North and South Shaolin, which is South is famous for their Fist movements. For the North, it's on their legs, which Japanese and Koreans have simplified both to Karate and Taekwondo.
Akido comes from Taji, which is using enemy's movement and speed against himself. Both techniques are actually defensive purposes, but, though seldom, it can be used to attack too.
@Rain this is all very interesting AND useful, now i'm wondering if jujitsu is japaneese or chineese??
The Southern Shaolin Style sounds very interesting too...
I want my "zhi jian ker" to be able to break a sword apart with a simple hit or simply stop it, like catching it and holding it by the blade.
The technique would be ancient but very developped mathematically.
Just like the gun-kata from Equilibrium
My finalists:
youngou
livecn
rain
(Y) This is becoming even more developped and interesting, i love it all!!! thanks to each and everyone, you are all helping me sort this out so nicely!!!
Now, is there anyone that speaks, writes japaneese so i could compare if it's more catchy????
well magnolium, u're always very welcome to ask. just as what the rest of us are doing here 70% of the time. and just a short note: "jujitsu" is japanese, ok it sounds to me like japanese, cos at least it isn't no chinese.
It's actually "jutsu", meaning skill, in Nihon-go (Japanese Language).
Taijutsu - Bare hands combat involving legs and hands as weapons.
@Magnolium - I'm a Chinese, from Singapore. I'm currently learning Japanese as I have always been in love with the Japanese culture, ranging from Animes to it's language.
MSN me if you need anything. :ninja:
Originally posted by Rain@Aug 22 2003, 11:04 AM@Magnolium - I'm a Chinese, from Singapore. I'm currently learning Japanese as I have always been in love with the Japanese culture, ranging from Animes to it's language.
whoa.. Singapore.. me too! 
Rain, from what you've learnt so far, could you try and translate the bladestopper into japaneese???
Originally posted by [teknision,Aug 22 2003, 03:34 PM] whoa.. Singapore.. me too!
same here!
:woot:
Originally posted by livecn@Aug 22 2003, 05:54 PMsame here!
:woot:
:woot: cool! so i've found two other Singaporeans in the SAME thread
@magnolium, I'm sorry, but I can't find any cool names for it in Nihon-go. Chinese should be easier.
@all singaporeans, Nice to meet you guys too.
lol, i guess all the chinese speaking people just won't come around being unnoticed, right. :own: haha, don't get me wrong, i'm not being ironic, i am one of those too. :rule: but after all it's not amazing at all isn't it, cos there're approximately 1.5 billion chinese speaking people on the surface of the planet (god knows how many decided to go 'underground' lol ), so in general term, that's an average of 1 in every 4 people u encounter :woot:
Originally posted by youngou@Aug 23 2003, 01:20 PMlol, i guess all the chinese speaking people just won't come around being unnoticed, right. :own: haha, don't get me wrong, i'm not being ironic, i am one of those too. :rule: but after all it's not amazing at all isn't it, cos there're approximately 1.5 billion chinese speaking people on the surface of the planet (god knows how many decided to go 'underground' lol
in fact, chinese is the most widely spoken language, not english or spanish. if i remember correctly, that is..
Hi, i'm a Chinese in Singapore, not a Singaporean. :shy:
just sth to correct. i think chinese is a language that is most spoken, simply because of its speaking population, instead of being widely spoken. u don't hear it a lot outside china, and singapore, do you. :shy:
but yeah, chinese rules... :own: :rule: :who's your daddy:
Originally posted by livecn@Aug 23 2003, 05:11 PMHi, i'm a Chinese in Singapore, not a Singaporean. :shy:
ooops.. never thought of that :shy:
Originally posted by youngou@Aug 23 2003, 10:22 PMjust sth to correct. i think chinese is a language that is most spoken, simply because of its speaking population, instead of being widely spoken. u don't hear it a lot outside china, and singapore, do you. :shy:
but yeah, chinese rules... :own: :rule: :who's your daddy:
*shrug* that more or less what i meant. b'cause china has such a humongous population of chinese-speaking people.. so that's probably one of the reasons.
All right people,
I've made my decision
I'm gonna use the zhi jian ker.
Now youngou, livecn and rain, you guys were very helpful and i thank you extremely for that.
If you wish, i could publish your real name in the credits or simply your nickname
i.e.
Special Thanks
John "Rain" Smith
or
Special Thanks
livecn
To Rain, if you are willing, i'd like to learn more about some martial arts, and your thought on a deeper definition of the zhi jiao dao. Are you more online on ICQ, MSN or this board???
Again, thank you very much to all of you, this community, as usual of such a wonderful place filled with wonderful people like you!
:rule: (Y) :own: :bow: