I Just Finished Seeing Matrix Reloaded

Originally posted by fissyb@May 17 2003, 02:26 PM

Goku, you know the whole story??

NOW, i know 66.6667% of it 2/3 movies if you get me.

If you'd like - ask me anything you didnt understand, that was silly or vague for you, ill clear it out so i promise..- i already made some people realize the things hidden in this story and they went so nuts they couldnt figure it out in the movies, some are actually going to watch it again.

I saw the first one more than 8 times in the movies, and more than 100 times on home DVD and vhs. Its my little star war movie (pffft excuse me matrix for metaphring you to starwars), so trust me i know a lot. I'm practically the oracle of the real world (only this time its a guy). :goku: :goku: :goku:

:staffs here:

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EDIT: Neo even said: "something has changed, i can feel them (sentitnals) -- thats very propable the real world is another matrix. - again, i woudlnt be surprised if neo is actually having powers cause of his mind controling in the matrix already.

Me thinks that too. The other "ones" would never have felt this because they would have chosen the other door at the architect's room. (supposing that Neo is in fact the only one to have fallen in love - which doesn't fit in with the oracle, but never mind.)

That is why this time is different hopefully. If Neo can persuade the rest of the Zion people to wake up from the zion matrix, then tomorrow the war could actually be over...

just thinking aloud

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Originally posted by fissyb@May 17 2003, 02:40 PM

Me thinks that too. The other "ones" would never have felt this because they would have chosen the other door at the architect's room. (supposing that Neo is in fact the only one to have fallen in love - which doesn't fit in with the oracle, but never mind.)

That is why this time is different hopefully. If Neo can persuade the rest of the Zion people to wake up from the zion matrix, then tomorrow the war could actually be over...

just thinking aloud

See, its not against what the oracle said.

trust me the production team sits on this thing for years.. they cant have loop holes.. I know what it is (i've been in a visual effects company, you must link anything to everything)..

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besides, neo falling in love with trinity, is totaly not against the oracle's prophesy. She told him he would make a choice, "and you already decided what you want" - "So the choice is the problem".

But anyway - you're right absolutly right:

That is why this time is different hopefully. If Neo can persuade the rest of the Zion people to wake up from the zion matrix, then tomorrow the war could actually be over...

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to those who saw the movie and didnt like it: Just so you know, the other 'neos' before our neo, chose the destruction of zion for the sake of the people in the matrix. If you remember, the architect told neo that once he chooses that, he can pick 23 people from the matrix in order to release them into the "real world" to form another zion. ----> that brings us back to the first movie - when morpheus told neo first time ever, "You must think to youreself how did I first got in here?... well there was one person who freed us all... but he is no longer with us" -> thats exactly what the previous 'one' did. He chose the destruction of zion over the extinction of man kind thats is being grown in the matrix. He had the option to release 23 people, and morpheus was one of them. Thats something that was never told in the movie on purpose cause its something you should remember from the last time. If they reminded that to you it would ruin the charm and the movie will look like its trying to explain it to grade school kids. it irritates me to see people complaining saying that the dialogs were crappy.

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well you have to remember fissyb (i know you cant say anything until we see the final movie).. but considering its a movie... the technology they have.. the crazzy mind controling technology the machines have.. AND..the ysay in the first one Humans are Grown instead of born... perhaps.... the One not only can control the matrix bend things etc... but his real body has some sorta .. difference to it.. if you know what i mean.. that enables his mind strength to surpase the matrix into the real world.. i just dont see why they would do a box in a box idea... it totaly messes up the first one as well.. being free then gotta be freed again and again... i dont like that idea personaly. .but both can be true yes... but remember humans are grown now.....

also when neo says "something has changed.. i can feel them now".. it could also mean he has just gained more power and experience (or the orcal did somthing to the ones coding in the matrix that brought the ability to the real world)...because in the first matrix.. he couldnt do alot... till the near end.. so as he goes on he gets more experience and it could of just gotten to him.. that he could sense the AI>. since Neo in the matrix world could sense the Agents coming... and Neo dreaming of trinitys death all point to maybe.. psychic like ability in his real life too..

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what i mean when i say it doesn't fit in with the oracle is that the oracle tells trinity she will fall in love with Neo. If that is true, then that means all the other "ones" have fallen in love too, and so would have made the same choice as Neo. The plot then seems to fall down... unless the other Neo's didn't fall so in love back with their particular Trinity. Does Neo and the other Neo's really have that choice or is it just the final, ultimate lie?

I hope you're right, and the story does work.

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also, in the preview for revolutions, we see that they fight the machines in zion. The writers don't seem to agree with our view of the situation (maybe because of the paradox above).

Neo goes into the matrix to fight smith for somereason.

How are they going to explain Neo's real world powers then.

Can't wait for the next one

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btw, i just noticed i've been using the wrong emoticons for everything... just because mozilla doesn't seem to work with animated gifs... lol

fissy

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Originally posted by bolero@May 17 2003, 03:00 PM

well you have to remember fissyb (i know you cant say anything until we see the final movie).. but considering its a movie... the technology they have.. the crazzy mind controling technology the machines have.. AND..the ysay in the first one Humans are Grown instead of born... perhaps.... the One not only can control the matrix bend things etc... but his real body has some sorta .. difference to it.. if you know what i mean.. that enables his mind strength to surpase the matrix into the real world.. i just dont see why they would do a box in a box idea... it totaly messes up the first one as well.. being free then gotta be freed again and again... i dont like that idea personaly. .but both can be true yes... but remember humans are grown now.....

also when neo says "something has changed.. i can feel them now".. it could also mean he has just gained more power and experience (or the orcal did somthing to the ones coding in the matrix that brought the ability to the real world)...because in the first matrix.. he couldnt do alot... till the near end.. so as he goes on he gets more experience and it could of just gotten to him.. that he could sense the AI>. since Neo in the matrix world could sense the Agents coming... and Neo dreaming of trinitys death all point to maybe.. psychic like ability in his real life too..

bo,

the fact you dont like this idea shows why you tend to disagree with the assumption it can be a box in a box. what if its true? so you wont like the whole story? It can be both things, but please dude, be a little more open minded and not just prove things.

I didnt say that box in a box is what it is really, its just an option that pops up when you see that part. Grusic asked it,fissyb did as well and many others thought about it too. I dont know whats right?

but there is no need to argue about it... <_<

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dont worry goku.. im probebly the most open minded person in the world.. (in life generally).. like i said.. Both can be true and im not stating whats true.. im jsut brining up other points.. cause i to also see why it could be a matrix in a matrix dealy.

-bolero

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About the battery thing. I don't think the humans are the sole source of energ in the matrix but rather they are the catalyst. Kind of like how a car battery doesn't run using jus the battery (apart from electric cars but that's besides the point). Morpheus in the original said using this and a form of fusion the machines found enough energy". That's like saying "using this and a form of combustion a car has enough energy.

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and Neo dreaming of trinitys death all point to maybe.. psychic like ability in his real life too..

what you are saying is ultimately what i was saying... for neo to have special powers, thats ok, but you have to bring in some sort of religion i think.

unless you're talking about the "science" of telepathy, type thing

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Kind of like how a car battery doesn't run using jus the battery (apart from electric cars but that's besides the point).

so humans are a store for when they turn the fusion reactors off... I don't like that but i suppose its feasible and if you like it thats fine.

The best answer i heard was that they need powerful computers to control the fusion... Human brains are massively parallel quantum computers (thats not proved obviously), they could do all the work for the machines. a little ironic considering we use computers to monitor our fission reactors now

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!WOW! some people here r starting to sound like !TREKKIES!

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hehe, do you mean me?!!

I'm a physicist, its practically my job to talk about stuff like this

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Im a dbz fan..

Martrix is better than anything i've seen in my life.

Just that its very 'cassual' to have neo or agent smith as an avatar.

:matrix: :who's your daddy:

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Originally posted by fissyb@May 17 2003, 11:11 PM

what you are saying is ultimately what i was saying... for neo to have special powers, thats ok, but you have to bring in some sort of religion i think.

unless you're talking about the "science" of telepathy, type thing

how does psychic powers need a religion?

-bolero

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How can you see the future (especially in detail such as which door to walk through). without there being religion?

That could be explained by saying that the matrix has implanted it in his brain so he will dream it in the real world.

It doesn't explain sentinal stopping powers though

EDIT: he also didn't just know the sentinals were coming, he said he could feel them

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hehe.. you know whats interesting to think about.. its just a cool funny little idea..

what if we are actually in the matrix right now.. and the movie " the matrix" is the freedminds work on telling us whats going on.. in movie format like a sub message.. makign it easier for us to realise when its time for us to be unplugged.. lol ... neat little idea

-bolero

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thats part of the intrique isn't it

some scientist somehow decided that there was a 25% chance that we are in some sort of matrix.

Someone once said: Don't be nasty to your "Sims" because they may be feeling just the same as we are now... Just because they don't have our level of conscious, is it possible to know whether they are self - aware?

sounds stupid, but then we could be part of someoneelse's sims game, and the sims part of ours.

freaky

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lol yea exactly.. exactly what i was thinking

-bolero

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so if we're in this sim game, I've scored a lot thanks goes to my mind controller.

He is probably one of those masters who kill anyone in unreal tournament 2003 or unreal 2. like these 1337 numbered --==*sp3ci41*==--- 13773ring method who always in the top of the list :rife: "you've been killed by "--==*sp3ci41*==--- 13773ring" :ut:

Keep it up playa, thank you for making me so cool. :bow: :bow: - btw, if you can get some cheat codes and hook me up with a 23" flat screen cinematic display with a g4 dual 1.42ghz mac - i promise i'll rule for you more than you can possibly think :who's your daddy:

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haha

My controller is a bit of a lamer then... why am i so bad at quake III, mr controller?

It would be bizarre if one of your sims realised they were in a computer and gained complete control of your computer

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lol thats funny... They programmed us.. we programmed our computers.. which programmed the sism which in the sims you can play on those computers.. LoL oh god it just keeps going

-bolero

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Originally posted by fissyb@May 17 2003, 11:15 PM

so humans are a store for when they turn the fusion reactors off... I don't like that but i suppose its feasible and if you like it thats fine.

The best answer i heard was that they need powerful computers to control the fusion... Human brains are massively parallel quantum computers (thats not proved obviously), they could do all the work for the machines. a little ironic considering we use computers to monitor our fission reactors now

I don't mean they backup the fusion reactors. A car battery does not backup the engine either. It starts a spark to start the combustion. A matrix reactor would use sparks of millions of people in a similar fashion. It would be a complex system which humans play a role in. But hey if we could totally understand it wouldn't be sci-fi now would it?

The other part of monitoring it sounds good too though. Like they say somewhere we are only using a certain part of our brain. The rest could be used for such a purpose.

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But hey if we could totally understand it wouldn't be sci-fi now would it?

We can understand fusion reactors, they're just very difficult to actually build. People have managed to keep one running for a few seconds now, which is quite good. Hopefully within 50 years they will work properly and that will be good for everyone. I read somewhere, the whole human race will only need 6 fusion reactors. No more pollution, basically free energy for all.

sounds good

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