Aqua-Soft ForumsOriginally posted by vneumann@May 3 2004, 05:02 PMHave you tried F2?
Oops forgot to mention that I was aware the keyboard function works, but that the rightclick menu looks very strange without that option.
[release] Nexplorer 1.6 Public Beta
Not sure if this is a "feature" or a bug or neither:
Can click and drag .exes into the sidebar where they will appear with icon and filename... of course clicking on the sidebar entry will do nothing.
A few bugs I've noticed so far:
- The 'up arrow's alpha channel keeps getting darker the more you mouse over it.
- If you add a label to anything in a large folder the app stops responding randomly, also selection in a large folder is painfully slow (I'm on a 2.53 Ghz P4, so my machines speed shouldnt be the issue).
- Some shortcuts have bold lettering, and some dont. :\
- The preview pane in the column mode makes icons WAY bigger than they should be, is there any way to read what the max icon size in the file is and just display that? Also can the text size be a tad smaller, or add break points to the comments?
- Resizing the shortcut pane seems to cause the app to stop responding when browsing a large folder with preview on, probably a redrawing issue.
- Columns in column mode are sometimes HUGE, nowhere near what the largest filename is, perhaps it could clips longer filenames in that mode to make for a standard column size?
- Can you add a check to the search option dropdown, so we know which type of search is selected? 
- When clicking to drag a shortcut in the sidepane it automatically jumps to that folder, can you make it so that when an icon is clicked and held, it's dragable, but not automatically switch to that folder? (it wouldnt be so bad, but most of my folders in the sidepane are large folders so the loading causes the app to slow down alot, and makes it hard to drag the shortcut where I want it).
- When adding a label to a file or folder farthest to the left, the label is cut off.
- After adding a label it seems to first shorten the filename to one line, but when clicked it reverts and stretches the label over two lines, which the redrawing doesnt keep up and it gets a 'cut and paste' type job.
Thats all of the bugs that I can see right now, I'll post more as I come across them.
Chris
Originally posted by bzeitler@May 3 2004, 05:41 PMcould you make it so that it does not read into zip files in column browsing mode. When scrolling with the arrow keys, it tries to read into each zip file, which makes it realy slow. Or you could ad a delay of like one second before the item is opened in the next window, that way we could keep browsing down with the arrow keys without waiting. This would be good for browsing past large folders also.
What do you think. Is this to hard to do?
Thanks vneumman
also,
when in control panel
double clicking on items does not open them.
I will turn off zip file reading in column browsing.
Adding a delay in the windows message is a little tricky and may well introduce
more bugs.
Originally posted by Felix@May 3 2004, 05:55 PMHum very nice
1st bug to report of my part is:
1. When I edit a shortcut name, and finish the renaming, on the shortcut bar, there is a black line that follows the mouse up and down. gets fixed when we click outside of the shortcut bar
2. Why are the collums soo large in Panel view?? It should adjust automaticly with the space that it needs
3. when we double click in a folder in Panel view all the previous collums dissapear
1. I will try to fix it. It is a drag line used to arrange shortcuts in the shortcut pane,
2. right now the column width is either maximum possible or 250 pixel. I tried to make
it more flexible but there were some bugs. Eventually the width will become flexible.
3. I guess that's how it's supposed to work. Isn't it?
Originally posted by nightcrawler1089@May 3 2004, 09:07 PM3 things:
1) Parentheses don't display well. Specifically, the end parenthesis looks smaller than the open 1.
2) In column and list-view, the 1/2 fraction doesn't show. For example, 3 1/2 floppy A. All I get is a square box
3) When going from one folder to a large folder, the (normal text) labels from the old folder stay briefly. What ends up happening is that I get part of the old label superimposed over part of the new label. I don't know if this falls under the "delay while opening folder" bug
That's all for now! I'll see if I can find more, but, on the whole, it's a great app!
-nightcrawler1089
1. That's a strange bug. I will see if I can reproduce the problem.
2. It's because I considered multibyte characters (like Asian characters).
If I don't add this feature, all the users with Asian versions of Windows will start
complaining. I can make the program to detect it automatically but it is too
much coding for too little gain.
3. It's a kind of the delay bug. I guess the old label doesn't stay there permanently does it?
Originally posted by Autumnmist@May 3 2004, 10:41 PMNot sure if this is a "feature" or a bug or neither:
Can click and drag .exes into the sidebar where they will appear with icon and filename... of course clicking on the sidebar entry will do nothing.
It's a feature not implemented yet. I will let users add their favorite programs to the shortcut too.
About "rename" in the right click menu, it's just because I am lazy. Adding "rename" there is a low priority in my bug fix list right now so please bear with me
Originally posted by Binary@May 3 2004, 10:47 PMA few bugs I've noticed so far:
- The 'up arrow's alpha channel keeps getting darker the more you mouse over it.
I think there is a problem with the png file I used. It happens with the included panther skin only. I will ask skinners' help in the release version.
- If you add a label to anything in a large folder the app stops responding randomly, also selection in a large folder is painfully slow (I'm on a 2.53 Ghz P4, so my machines speed shouldnt be the issue).
How large is your folder? It works fine in my computer (much slower than yours) with 500 png files in the preview mode. In the next version, I will add exclusion list.
Users can add some large directories in the list and all the custom drawing (color label,
folder icon , folder arrow in column mode ) will be turned off for those directories.
- Some shortcuts have bold lettering, and some dont. :\
Strange . You mean shortcuts in the shortcut pane?
- The preview pane in the column mode makes icons WAY bigger than they should be, is there any way to read what the max icon size in the file is and just display that? Also can the text size be a tad smaller, or add break points to the comments?
Sigh... It was using normal icon size before but another beta tester wanted me to make it bigger. I guess we have to ask other users and hear more opinions.
- Resizing the shortcut pane seems to cause the app to stop responding when browsing a large folder with preview on, probably a redrawing issue.
- Columns in column mode are sometimes HUGE, nowhere near what the largest filename is, perhaps it could clips longer filenames in that mode to make for a standard column size?
Yeah, it's hard to avoid that but I will try to fix it.
- Can you add a check to the search option dropdown, so we know which type of search is selected?
It was there in the previous version but someone asked me to remove it and I forgot to add the check mark in the menu.
- When clicking to drag a shortcut in the sidepane it automatically jumps to that folder, can you make it so that when an icon is clicked and held, it's dragable, but not automatically switch to that folder? (it wouldnt be so bad, but most of my folders in the sidepane are large folders so the loading causes the app to slow down alot, and makes it hard to drag the shortcut where I want it).
It's a little tricky for the program to tell the difference between a drag operation and a normal button click. I can certainly fix this but it's low on the priority list because it gains little but requires quite a lot of coding.
- When adding a label to a file or folder farthest to the left, the label is cut off.
It's strange. I know that the label is cut off at the bottom when the vertical scroll bar is there but never seen it cut off on the left. Where is the scroll bar when there are many items? Bottom or right?
- After adding a label it seems to first shorten the filename to one line, but when clicked it reverts and stretches the label over two lines, which the redrawing doesnt keep up and it gets a 'cut and paste' type job.
There is a font problem with the current version. I almost fixed it.
sorry for the late bug report but i found few very interssting ones 
1. If you set the size of the window (other than default) each next time u open NexPlorer the window is a bit taller and wider and that continues untill the window is back to default size (this has been an issue in 1.5 b3 too)
2. When u hold the mouse cursor over the icon for an image, when the cur info baloon shows the icon dissapears untill u click on it
3. i still don`t have the preview for images. i have hide file ext. for known filetypes on and my default viewer is GoatView by AV
4. The app just looks slow and inert compared to version 1.0 or the newest version of Looca. I think that adding an option to disable custom drawing would be good for speed maniacs
5. the bug with a short pop up before start is still there. the window appears in the right corner for a split second of the screen before staring.
overall, a huge improvement over 1.5b3
more as i find...
great work kevin
Looks like many people are not happy with the speed.
I'd like to ask questions to people.
What if I just get rid of mac-like selection mark("highlight.png") , curstom folder icon("folder.jpg") , and folder arrow ?
I will leave color label there caue it is the heart of my app.
(The soul is column browing )
I guess doing that will speed up browsing quite a lot.
What is your opinion about it? Non beta testers can also answer to this question.
Originally posted by vneumann@May 4 2004, 12:13 AM
I think there is a problem with the png file I used. It happens with the included panther skin only. I will ask skinners' help in the release version.
Might be, but I'm using pinstripe theme.
How large is your folder? It works fine in my computer (much slower than yours) with 500 png files in the preview mode. In the next version, I will add exclusion list.
Users can add some large directories in the list and all the custom drawing (color label,
folder icon , folder arrow in column mode ) will be turned off for those directories.
My documents folder has 2400 files, most of which are image files.
Strange . You mean shortcuts in the shortcut pane?
No, just normal shortcuts or files within the main window
It was there in the previous version but someone asked me to remove it and I forgot to add the check mark in the menu.
I asked to take out the text before, but to add a checkmark in the menu
It's a little tricky for the program to tell the difference between a drag operation and a normal button click. I can certainly fix this but it's low on the priority list because it gains little but requires quite a lot of coding.
Ok, cool.
It's strange. I know that the label is cut off at the bottom when the vertical scroll bar is there but never seen it cut off on the left. Where is the scroll bar when there are many items? Bottom or right?
I didnt have any scrollbars at the time.
Chris
Originally posted by vneumann@May 4 2004, 12:56 AMWhat if I just get rid of mac-like selection mark("highlight.png") , curstom folder icon("folder.jpg") , and folder arrow ?
About the custom folder icon... it´s possible for it just use the shell32 folder?? I guess that would be perfect... if someone have a icon on shell32, it´s almost sure that it´s this icon that he want to see in the finder.
About your question... i shall prefer usability over emulation. So... if get rid of that details you end on a better app... why not.
Originally posted by vneumann@May 3 2004, 08:56 PMLooks like many people are not happy with the speed.
I'd like to ask questions to people.
What if I just get rid of mac-like selection mark("highlight.png") , curstom folder icon("folder.jpg") , and folder arrow ?
I will leave color label there caue it is the heart of my app.
(The soul is column browing
I guess doing that will speed up browsing quite a lot.
What is your opinion about it? Non beta testers can also answer to this question.
that would suck...period
i'am a non official beta tester but i sugest to do a pool concerning vneuman question (about speed) out off this topic in order to keep it clean.
soory for my english 
Originally posted by vneumann@May 4 2004, 12:56 AMLooks like many people are not happy with the speed.
I'd like to ask questions to people.
What if I just get rid of mac-like selection mark("highlight.png") , curstom folder icon("folder.jpg") , and folder arrow ?
I deleted the highlight.png file and didn't really notice much of a difference, but deleting the folder.jpg sped up browsing quite a bit for me. So I would suggest just getting rid of the folder icon.
Originally posted by Duckie@May 3 2004, 08:54 PMthat would suck...period
yep. leave it as it is 'cause if you delete/rename the files it doesn't use them.
Originally posted by vneumann@May 4 2004, 12:56 AMLooks like many people are not happy with the speed.
I'd like to ask questions to people.
What if I just get rid of mac-like selection mark("highlight.png") , curstom folder icon("folder.jpg") , and folder arrow ?
I will leave color label there caue it is the heart of my app.
(The soul is column browing
I guess doing that will speed up browsing quite a lot.
What is your opinion about it? Non beta testers can also answer to this question.
Well, my system is crappy, so speed is really important for me 
So everything that you could do to improve speed will be welcome, and I noticed that delete folder.png really speed up the app.
And maybe you could add an option in the ini file to display or no color labels ? It's a nice fature, really , but if someone don't use it, disable may be usefull to speed up.
By the way, about the zip-file view, I think it's cool and usefull, so could you, instead of disable it, add too an option in the .ini ? Thx !
how about a compromise...try releasing a LITE version too
or would that be too much work?
might be just the thing for those kids here who dont care about Mac realism.
(I can't believe I'm validating the non-mac people...someone shoot me...NOW!)
(on second thought, shoot them)
Originally posted by Duckie@May 4 2004, 09:00 AMhow about a compromise...try releasing a LITE version too
or would that be too much work?
might be just the thing for those kids here who dont care about Mac realism.
(I can't believe I'm validating the non-mac people...someone shoot me...NOW!)
(on second thought, shoot them)
well to be honest Mac Finder isn`t slow, isn`t it
This is a great app with a lot of potential but i think most (not Duckie ) of us want speen rather than iCandy (don`t get me wrong, i`m a sucker for iCandy 
) but speed is the reason why NexPlorer 1.0 is still my dafult finder
i`ve got an idea that i will have to work out and email kevin to see if it`s feasable.
once again thanks for your great effort
Well it's official. Devs are listening to people who want to implement Windows-like features into their apps. Last I recall this site is called Aqua-Soft and its primary purpose is to emulate the Mac OS X interface and applications AS THEY ARE and NOT TO MAKE THEM BETTER BY ADDING WINDOWS-LIKE FEATURES TO THEM. If the devs start doing this then the whole purpose of the site is destroyed. I myself am a purist like Duckie and I want things to be EXACTLY the same as they are on OS X. That's why this site was developed in the first place.
If this happens, the n3wbies are taking over....and Aqua-Soft is dead as far as the original ideas of the founders are concerned. :rant:
Originally posted by Sid@May 4 2004, 10:07 AMWell it's official. Devs are listening to people who want to implement Windows-like features into their apps. Last I recall this site is called Aqua-Soft and its primary purpose is to emulate the Mac OS X interface and applications AS THEY ARE and NOT TO MAKE THEM BETTER BY ADDING WINDOWS-LIKE FEATURES TO THEM. If the devs start doing this then the whole purpose of the site is destroyed. I myself am a purist like Duckie and I want things to be EXACTLY the same as they are on OS X. That's why this site was developed in the first place.
If this happens, the n3wbies are taking over....and Aqua-Soft is dead as far as the original ideas of the founders are concerned. :rant:
well if asking for a more responsive and faster app will destroy aqua emulation, then i`m guilty. i didn`t ask him for a freaking windows logo! :6
Leave the Highlight png in, now about the folder, thats a tricky one
I am really sorry about telling you off and insulting you.
It was very wrong of me.
I am really so sorry about the whole thing please forget I said anything.
I am so sorry about all of this I spoke before I thought and I really should have said nothing I was wrong and I admit that.
-Jimmy S
// Post Edited for Moral reasons
Well, making a lite version is not such a bad idea and doesn't involve so much
work on my end. All I have to do is to just delete some lines in my code so I will
probably do that in the next release.
By the way, there is no actually thumbnail view in a mac finder right?
I am spending too much time in speeding up thumbnail views but it is useless
from a purist's point of view, right?
Originally posted by Jimmy S@May 4 2004, 10:54 AMI am really sorry about telling you off and insulting you.
It was very wrong of me.
I am really so sorry about the whole thing please forget I said anything.
I am so sorry about all of this I spoke before I thought and I really should have said nothing I was wrong and I admit that.
-Jimmy S
// Post Edited for Moral reasons
think before u post young padawan
kevin did a fantastic work with NexPlorer and he`s been setting some new standards for Finder clones. Why be blind and not improve when u have the chance? Isn`t that what`s Apple doing, improving whenever they can?
@ vneuman - if u need any help just yell
i`ve finished my examns and i have more time to test
:bye: