I know its other people's property, and I respect that, but I'd be thrilled if people made addons and enhancements to my programs. (but thats just me)

(oh and dont reply to this in any way or sort or form)(I dont care about your opinion, its probably sacrasm anyways ) LoL

#7636

Actually, no sarcasm, just fact. Someone here made a .lang file for Y'z shadow a while back and it was pulled at the request of Marvilla.

#7640

Ah, Ok,

Just wanted to know. Thanks Duckie!

#7645

I think you guys are anally retentive when it comes to ask for permission. You don't need permission to translate text! Only when you claim to represent the author of the original material. Oh tell me that the Read Me files are also copyright, well paraphrase, and you know what can be done with the original text. Seems like its easier to wimp out than think or use common sense.

Seems like Freedom of Speech can be abolished by any Bozo request.

Please don't use the Quote function on what I said because you have not asked for my permission, and I will not grant it.

#7646

Not a problem with him distributing it here Duckie...thanks for the head's up and for helping us out on all of Y'z apps. Seems by the reply that KSO got back from Yamaguchi that all is well for him to go ahead and distribute here. It sure is a breath of fresh air to finally see people respecting programmers and artists by requesting permissions from them directly instead of just posting stuff without the creators permission.

Thanks KSO and thank you Duckie, your help is much apreciated

VideoMann I'd comment on your post, but honestly you aren't worth my time.

#7648

Ignorance is no defence. I think there is no problem him distributing anywhere provided he does not claim to be the author of the original Japanese/English text or claims to represent the original author. A translation is not a duplication of original material, especially when it is information and does not constitute a work of art or "the work of value" as a novel or a book would be.

Seems like people like to use copyright laws improperly to agrandize their egos.

#7653

Originally posted by VideoMann@Dec 28 2002, 05:12 AM
Ignorance is no defence. I think there is no problem him distributing anywhere provided he does not claim to be the author of the original Japanese/English text or claims to represent the original author. A translation is not a duplication of original material, especially when it is information and does not constitute a work of art or "the work of value" as a novel or a book would be.

Seems like people like to use copyright laws improperly to agrandize their egos.

You used big words that I didn't understant.

Common guys, its a translation. (a good one at that )

I do agree with VideoMann to a degree, but its still altering a program that is not owned by him.

I'm glad this is cleared up.

#7838

If the translation is the Read Me file or an instruction on how to use Y's dock, there is no copyright infringement regardless of what the author says, and permission is not required. In many cases such translated work is called "work de nuovo" in legal terms meaning a new created work not protected as a copy.

If the translation is a translation of the program itself such as the configuration windows from English to Spanish then that would be an infringement of copyright law because you are changing the "code of the actual program".

I took the original post regarding translation to be the first case and not the second because to me the second case is clearly a change in the program. What bothers me is that an administrator must act independently and not make judgements based on friendships with other people or other forums. The judgement must take a certain reasonable time to consider if a post should or should not be deleted and proof must be submitted, not simply a request or an opinion that does not come directly from a lawyer .

When a person deletes a post or information it is by it's very nature taking rights away from one person (the poster) and could be violating legaly protected rights based simply on someone elses (the requester) legal interpretation which not only is not qualified but has a self interest that action be taken. When such a dispute arises the smart thing to do is to tell the requester to send an e-mail or letter stating why that should not be allowed. In cases of legal matter or a dispute on a legal matter a lawyer's letter should be requested to clarify opinion. This should be standard practice especially for artists that want to protect their work. In a second matter a letter that states a person represents someone else's is also a minimum standard for even considering such a request. If a person pretents to enforce copyright issues of another person you must have a "power of attorney" or that person is not legally qualified to speak much less make a request for somebody else.

To continue to attempt to quash (a legal term meaning cease/make null) another person's work (such as a translation)without a clear legal letter may amount to harassment and an attempt to infringe on the legal rights of others in expression and speech. These are issues that must be considered as an administrator. Does the administrator stand for the rights of the members of the community or does the administrator make decisions based on opinion and requests of people that are not qualified to interpret a legal document.

Even when laws seem clear, they are far from that, because all laws require interpretation both in it's limits and it's power, that is only something a lawyer can do. An administrator that is wise in this types of disputes would request that a lawyer representing the artist submit a description of what is the violation and how that can be brought into compliance.

This case can be easy or hard depending on what was meant by translation.

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I'm not impressed by flipant and shallow comments from Marvilla.

#7870

VideoMann,

Can't you leave well enough alone? I mean, COME-ON!

This isn't a issue of "censorship", for chrissakes. I told him I removed the link, temporarily, not the post, and that we needed verification that he recieved permission AND after he did that, he was allowed to return his link.

And a little FYI, this board does NOT live under the rules and regulations designated by your country. Nor do we have to allow ANYTHING to be posted. I could delete your post, but have I? No. Nor did I delete HIS post...EVER.

/edit - I wasn't making any judgement based on freindships or forums. I care about artists work, that is all. The fact that Marvilla was involved was a moot issue.

#7871

Duckie:

I knew you would respond.....I'm just bringing a comment to express that these are not easy issues and requests should not be taken lightly, that is all in a nutshell.

Do you have the right to delete my posts?.....hmmmm?.. probably yes...it depends on the particulars of the forum. If this Forum server does not reside in the U.S. which it probably does not, there are several European Laws that echos the same Freedom of Speech Laws of the U.S.. Those cover all of the European Union. Laws in Asia I know nothing about. Laws in Australia and Canada are in this matter very similar to the U.S. and laws in Latin America are the same as the U.S. but harder to enforce. U.S. laws are widespread throughtout the world and very similar, don't need to live in the U.S. or be a U.S. citizen.

I apologize if I put you on the spot with the post, but it is not a simple issue and thoughtful consideration should be taken before any action, which by your last post you seem to have done.

My end on this topic

Thanks

#7872

put me on the spot? I think not.

Those laws you preach about also designate that private orginizations have the right to choose what they want.

Example: The boy scouts of the US are allowed to refuse gays and atheists. The federal laws state that discrimination is illegal, but they argued that there's is a private orginization which does not fall under the laws of the US. They won.

Now, i dont condone bigots, they're ignorant and useless. But if the Boy scouts have that right in their country, then we have the same rights to choose what we want.

I will rarely delete a post I find offensive, but I will delete posts that are not relevant to what we do here. I have that right.

Man, you must have real issues in your regular life that you feel the need to berate forum mods over trite and menial issues such as this. Semantics, my dear man...semantics.

#7875

The issue revolves around what qualifies an entity to be " private orginizations ". It must not only meet certain criteria in its overall operations and financial existance but also if the activities that they engage on and allow to engage are truly private or not.

An organization may be a private but if an area of its activities is public then that organization will be regarded as a public entity within that area of public activity and public laws will apply. In the case of the Boys Scouts all their activities are private therefore all their operations and policies are considered within private legal protection. If at any point the Boys Scouts take public money or engage any part of their organization to accept people in a more open criteria then the whole organization will fall apart as a private institution.

Companies have similar problems with criteria on for-profit organizations and charitable organizations. Hospitals play both roles all the time, having one part of their services as a charitable organization and some parts as for profit. Those services are defined as separate entities but are owned by one major company. In otherwords private organizations do not always fall entirely as private institutions and allowed to make their own policies. It depends on the activities of the company not just internal policy and financial operation.

See what you made me do! I wasn't supposed to respond.

No , no "real issues", just like to have a higher level in exchange of ideas.

Cheers

#7877

wow.. these posts get longer and longer.

If it was my board and my choice.. i would close this thread as it seems to become an argument with videomann and duckie.. i would do this debating in Pm's or somthing.... but thats just how i would do things... but i respect the mods of this board and respect everyone here.

-bolero

#7886

Bolero

I'm glad is not your board, but this are important issues for all boards and you have to know the difference between an argument, a debate, and a difference of opinion. When you have to get violent or personally abusive with language that is an argument. When you state a difference of opinion with some basis in fact that is a debate etc. . The content of this thread is worth thinking about. A thread should not be closed simply because somebody is not interested in the topic especially if it has some value in content. Just move on.

Hey - Happy New Year !

#7887

De cualquier manera, muchas gracias por el esfuerzo.

in any way, Thank you for the effort...

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