Aqua-Soft ForumsAs many of you know, 96% of web browsers are a piece of sh##.
Try this page in Internet Explorer
Very useful if you use a php webserver.
Sorry if this is already on the boards somewhere, i didn't spot it.
-fissy
Alpha Blended Pngs On The Web
Awesome find, I never knew there was any way to correctly render PNGs in IE...
It's sort of ironic, how the "Portable Network Graphic" format doesn't render correctly in one of the most popular Internet browsers out there.
Yay Firebird!
Thank you fissy!! I have been wondering if IE could ever do this what Firebird does so well.
Originally posted by Cerebral@Nov 13 2003, 11:11 AMIt's sort of ironic, how the "Portable Network Graphic" format doesn't render correctly in one of the most popular Internet browsers out there.
That's not the only thing. Why should microsoft care about open industry standards. They should be allowed to create the standards, and if they don't support it, people shouldn't use it.
Originally posted by Deleted@Nov 13 2003, 10:21 AMThat's not the only thing. Why should microsoft care about open industry standards. They should be allowed to create the standards, and if they don't support it, people shouldn't use it.
What?!? Just because Windows is the most used OS out there (roughly 93% of the market) does not mean that they set the standards. Look at the CD. The Red Book standard for the CD's file structure is held by Phillips. Microsoft adopts a new technology and uses it. XML was not developed by Microsoft, and that is the big reason why Longhorn is going to be so customizable, the desktop is going to have an XML backbone. And not all of the technology that Microsoft invest in will become the standard. GIF's are widely used on the internet, not those stupid animated ones. And now it seems that PNG will dominate over GIF's leading PNG's to be the best image technology out there.
Originally posted by wizard@Nov 13 2003, 11:31 AMWhat?!? Just because Windows is the most used OS out there (roughly 93% of the market) does not mean that they set the standards. Look at the CD. The Red Book standard for the CD's file structure is held by Phillips. Microsoft adopts a new technology and uses it. XML was not developed by Microsoft, and that is the big reason why Longhorn is going to be so customizable, the desktop is going to have an XML backbone. And not all of the technology that Microsoft invest in will become the standard. GIF's are widely used on the internet, not those stupid animated ones. And now it seems that PNG will dominate over GIF's leading PNG's to be the best image technology out there.
i think Deleted was being sarcastic 
Just curious Keith, but what's that chemical forumla under your avatar? Or are you just addicted to a string of letters and numbers? 
Alternatively, you can try some of the stuff that A List Apart's "Cross-Browser Variable Opacity with PNG" article suggest...
Just a little more extensible than the pure-PHP solution...
I never realised that so few people didn't know you could use transparent PNGs in IE >.<
another good link Stevie 
the reason people think you can't use pngs in IE is because you can't
without cheating ;-)
Originally posted by Cerebral@Nov 13 2003, 01:22 PMJust curious Keith, but what's that chemical forumla under your avatar? Or are you just addicted to a string of letters and numbers?
I'm guessing it's caffiene... try google.
Originally posted by Fissy@Nov 13 2003, 07:30 PManother good link Stevie
the reason people think you can't use pngs in IE is because you can't
without cheating ;-)
Lies!
You can use 'em in IE... You just can't use transparent ones without cheating :6
Originally posted by jef@Nov 13 2003, 01:40 PMI'm guessing it's caffiene... try google.
You're right.. the funny part is that I use google for EVERYTHING, and yet it never occurred to me to try searching the formula. :shy:
Originally posted by Cerebral@Nov 13 2003, 07:25 PMYou're right.. the funny part is that I use google for EVERYTHING, and yet it never occurred to me to try searching the formula. :shy:
Well that's a bugger. I actually went and looked it up in my book of data (best book ever written that is) and couldn't find it! 
Originally posted by wizard@Nov 13 2003, 11:31 AMWhat?!? Just because Windows is the most used OS out there (roughly 93% of the market) does not mean that they set the standards.
You misunderstood me. I'm not saying they "set the standards" i'm saying they ignore lots of them.
I'm not a big anti-MS basher type of guy. It's the OS i use on a daily basis. I'm just saying IE ignore a lot of web standards. They render things differently then they should. Fact. I'm not just trying to bash MS and pull random BS out of my ass. It's widely known that IE doesn't render and handle tags to the standards. Which is what makes such a mess on the internet. Pages are written to work in IE, then don't work in other browsers. not because IE works with the standards, but because it doesn't. Then the page renders differently in browsers like mozilla, because it handles the tags the way it should.
*shrug*.
I'm really not ANTI-MS, I'm just stating facts.
Originally posted by Cerebral@Nov 13 2003, 12:06 PMThat's probably the tamest picture I've seen done that way.. I've seen three or four that were hidden pr0n.
I'm glad I could find it with out the porn, I wouldn't want to get banned 
Only reason we never added this cause it freezes some peoples browsers when there are alot of pngs on the page.
so does anyone know how the image is hidden like that? I'd like to do it to be able to watermark images with my name.
Originally posted by Timan@Nov 13 2003, 09:15 PMOnly reason we never added this cause it freezes some peoples browsers when there are alot of pngs on the page.
Did you take a look at the link I posted, Tim?
I've got an .htc that you could add to A-S's CSS (with one line) which would be ignored by everything except for IE4 and up, and would let those IEs render PNGs correctly...
I've tested it in as many (PC) browsers as I've been able to find (IE 3, 4, 5, 5.5, 6; Netscape 3, 4.0?, 4.72, 6.?, 7.?, Mozilla Firebird 0.5, 0.6.1, 0.7; Mozilla 1.0, 1.5; Links; Lynx; Opera 3, 4, 5, 6, 7), and it seems to have no problems I can find... Lemme know if you want it :shy:
Stevie, could you give it to us on a plate, having a single bit of code i could add at the top of each page would make my life easier. Your link doesn't quite manage that, you need to add that code for each image.
edit: nevermind, i just installed php on my server and used my link
Okay guys, here's the .htc file...
What you need to do is put this in your site somewhere, and put a reference in your CSS as follows:
img
{
behavior: url("pngbehavior.htc");
}
Obviously, the URL portion has to actually point at the relative location of the .htc file (in the example, the .css, .html, and .htc are all in the same directory)... It's also worth noting that you won't see the effect unless you make an HTTP request for the page (so you can't just load it from your local file system)...
Also, the code isn't mine - it's a modification by me of code from Erik Arvidsson (erik(at)eae.net) for WebFX (http://webfx.eae.net), and all copyright and suchlike is Erik's...
Enjoy!
To make this work, you need to rename the attachment from .htc.gif to .htc