Are People Stupid?

quote: "When you upload/download a song, your IP address is embedded into the file you share. So it doesnt require any "surveilance" to do. "

-See my last post, vis a vie public audio communications.

quote: "If you download an illegal song from the FBI, they have every right to use that IP."

-um, sorry about that, I was still talking non US.

quote: "Your IP is public, therefore there ARE NO LAWS preventing people from using it."

-Sorry Contra, but this is wrong. Just because something is public doesn't mean there are not laws concerning usage.

Anyone else?

Oh yeah, thanks three drives! BTW, supposedly the latest kazaa lite has peerblocker built right in.

#57149

You have no rights to privacy outside your house. The internet is outside your house and its going through public servers.

Your IP is completly public. I have your IP address right now, so I dont know how private you think it is. 67.70.69.192 Toronto-HSE-ppp3873091.sympatico.ca

Fine, not the FBI, How about if you download a song from me, I have your IP address and have a legal right to it.

Someone being recorded is different than music because you have an EXPECTATION of privacy when you talk to someone, there is no expectation of privacy on the internet.

#57166

If you have legal rights to a song and you let him download it and then sue him for downloading it from you, you are blackmailing.

#57182

WHAT? HAHAHAHA! Ok, contra, if you think you don't have some level of rights to privacy outside your house, you live in some state of delusion.

JESUUUS! Have you been looking at the point of any of my posts... i don't care how public my ip is, i care how/if that can be used against me suit-wise.

And one of the examples i gave was radio phone communication (which is PUBLIC-you can hear other people having 'one on one' conversations with each other). Again, 'PUBLIC = NO PRIVACY RIGHTS' is wrong wrong wrong . Quit using it as an argument.

Yeah, you have my IP. Can you use that OUTSIDE the US to legally aquire my personal information for a suit?

#57202

This is what i was looking for:

The RIAA is using provisions of the DMCA to force Internet service providers to reveal the identities of subscribers using peer-to-peer (P2P) networks such as Kazaa. Those users go by nicknames, and so the RIAA's on-line watchdogs can see only that someone called, say, PartyGrrl53 is sharing 600 songs, and that PartyGrrl53 can be traced to an IP address belonging to a certain ISP. After that, the ISP is required by law — the DMCA — to reveal that subscriber's name.

But the DMCA does not exist in Canada. Our own recording industry is pushing very hard to get an act like it, but we don't even have draft legislation.

this is from Globe and Mail

To me it seems like they'd have a hard time touching anyone in Canada.

#57215

I understand that there is no DMCA in Canada, and that helps you A LOT!

Basically, in Canada, the RI would have to get a supena, then they could get your info from your ISP.

In America (because of the DMCA), they do not need a supena.

Thats the only difference. its not hard to get a supena if you were really downloading songs anyway.

And at least in America (im no expert on Canadian law), you have NO privacy outside your house. That's why police can search your car without a warrent, tap your phone from the poll, follow you, video tape you on the street, etc, all without a warrent. Its very Orwellian, I know, but thats how it goes.

Yes, the RIAA has no rights in Canada, so? There's is a CANADIAN recording industry association thats just as "evil". I figured you could read between the lines a little.

And individual artists COULD sue you, if your crime was big enough to warrent international copyright law infringement.

#57407

contrasutra, you were right about the ip changing each time you connect(in pm message), thanks.

Sorry, i didn't even mean to refer to the RIAA, i was just interested in the DMCA.

And also, you do have privacy outside of your house in America... its called 'reasonable suspicion'(unfortunately)or some other ridiculuously obtuse phrase, and applies to searching the boot and tapping audio, though video is likely outside of this for strange reasons. In day to day terms, this means if you can afford a good lawyer, and the cops know it, your so called "right" to privacy will be upheld.

Back to the gaining info through the IP in Canada though, i suspect their only recourse(the supena) isn't all that easy to get, because the canadian version of the RIAA seems to be treading very lightly. Maybe their just lying in wait.

HAHA, i never even thought of the individual artists! I think the artists would be more in danger of backlash from fans than would be worth it for them. I wonder if they'll ever sue the RIAA and the canadian version to get any of the proceeds due from blank cd sales and other suits(see lynchknots posts)?

I guess the canadian case depends entirely on how/if supena's can be obtained.

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