Apple Sued!

Psystar has finally responded to Apple's lawsuit and slapped one of their own up the side of Apple's obnoxious head.

Keep in mind that Carr & Ferrell is defending Psystar, so this may actually turn out to be quite a hassle for Apple.

Psystar responds to Apple suit, will countersue

PALO ALTO, Calif.--Mac clone maker Psystar plans to file its answer to Apple's copyright infringement lawsuit Tuesday as well as a countersuit of its own, alleging that Apple engages in anticompetitive business practices. Miami-based Psystar, owned by Rudy Pedraza, will sue Apple under two federal laws designed to discourage monopolies and cartels, the Sherman Antitrust Act and the Clayton Antitrust Act, saying Apple's tying of the Mac OS to Apple-labeled hardware is "an anticompetitive restrain of trade," according to attorney Colby Springer of antitrust specialists Carr & Ferrell. Psystar is requesting that the court find Apple's EULA void, and is asking for unspecified damages.

Springer said his firm has not filed any suits with the Federal Trade Commission or any other government agencies.

The answer and countersuit will be filed Tuesday afternoon in U.S. District Court for Northern California.

Pedraza attended a press conference his lawyers called to present how Psystar will defend its its OpenComputer Mac clone, which has been for sale online since April.

Psystar's attorneys are calling Apple's allegations of Psystar's copyright infringement "misinformed and mischaracterized." Psystar argues that its OpenComputer product is shipped with a fully licensed, unmodified copy of Mac OS X, and that the company has simply "leveraged open source-licensed code including Apple's OS" to enable a PC to run the Mac operating system.

Pedraza says he wants to make Apple's Mac OS "more accessible" by offering it on less expensive hardware than Apple.

"My goal is to provide an alternative, not to free the Mac OS," said Pedraza. "What we want to do is to provide an alternative, an option...It's not that people don't want to use Mac OS, many people are open to the idea, but they're not used to spending an exorbitant amount of money on something that is essentially generic hardware."

Apple will have 30 days to respond to Pystar's counter claim, and so far has declined to comment on the case.

Other legal experts say Psystar faces a tough legal challenge in proving Apple has engaged in antitrust behavior by loading its software on its own hardware and thereby allegedly harming consumers and competitors. Psystar's ability to prevail on the issue of having the latitude to load Apple's OS on its own hardware, given it has a licensing agreement with the company, may prove an easier road to hoe, legal experts note.

A newcomer to the PC scene, Psystar caused a stir when it first went online selling white box Macs earlier this year. The site went down hours after it opened for business because the company was overwhelmed with orders for the OpenComputer, originally called the OpenMac, which was then changed to its current name. And the site went down several more times as its payment-processing company pulled its services from the Psystar site. Psystar managed to stay shrouded in a bit of mystery for a while, until intrepid gadget blog readers joined the press in fleshing out some details about the company.

Psystar eventually got back online with a new payment-processing service, and it continues to take orders for the OpenComputer and OpenPro Computer. When Apple finally did file suit against Psystar in July, it surprised nearly no one--except perhaps Pedraza. He said he had no contact with Apple before legal papers were filed against his company. Customarily, there is some sort of communication between companies before lawsuits are filed.

For now, Pedraza says it will be "business as usual" at company headquarters. Though he said there was a "slight" downward dip in sales once Apple filed its suit, he plans to go ahead with making servers, and soon, a mobile product, which he said will be "like a notebook." But he refused to offer more detail.

More to come...

CNET News' Dawn Kawamoto contributed to this story.

Discuss.

#508414

Good luck to them (Psystar) I say....

#508416

Are you sure this is in the right section :P

In any case, go pystar, if they can weaken Apple's monopoly over the market, good.

#508425

Are you sure this is in the right section :P

In any case, go pystar, if they can weaken Apple's monopoly over the market, good.

I'm not sure where else I'd put it. ;)

Definitely.

#508427

Well... news?

If pystar win, one would hope that OS X would remove hardware restrictions, and perhaps finally I can dual-boot (without messing with kexts because I can't be arsed)

#508429

I'm not able to post things in News. :P

#508431

Well i am an Apple fan myself, but i dont see the harm in having a OpenComputer for the public who like to have MAC OS but cannot afford it. Or just the idea that they don't like to spend that much for a mac?

#508434

I agree with painkilleryusuf, but why not go out and just buy a mac mini instead? :P

#508435

Aww, poor pimpy :P

I think it isn't so much people are too cheap, just the hardware is bloody overpriced!

#508439

Go Pysstar Go!

#508459

I agree with painkilleryusuf, but why not go out and just buy a mac mini instead? :P

The Mac Mini is ridiculously overpriced. When you factor in accessories it ends up costing over $1,000, which is rhetorical. Aside from that, some of us have a need for a graphics card.

I'll be getting a MacBook Pro soon, but if I could get a PC equivalent with OS X for $600-$1000 less I would be much more content.

#508466

Does anyone actually have a machine from Psystar? What's it like? Glitches? Hardware issues? I'm seriously considering getting one.

#508469

Does anyone actually have a machine from Psystar? What's it like? Glitches? Hardware issues? I'm seriously considering getting one.

A lot of people from InsanelyMac have them. They've got a noisy fan on startup apparently, but are otherwise close to perfect. The only problem is that if Apple wins their suit they'll forcefully take it from you, which I think should be illegal.

#508472

Yeah, how can they just make you hand your computer to them... I think apple's evil.

Maybe they would be more successful if they made their OS available for any computer like windows.

#508477

The power of OS X comes from the fact it's written for the hardware.

Without it's hardware, it'd probably be slower than windows.

#508478

Hmm,

I'm not gonna put this in the news section. Why?

The last thing I need is to have Timan on my ass about legal shit on the front page for every spider to see -- especially when it's about Apple :P

other than that, though, GO PSYSTAR! I wouldn't mind shelling ~$159 for a PC-based version of OS X.

#508480

¬¬ Uhhhh, Psystar and Apple aren't the same company, so what the **** Psystar wants to make cheaper Macs with out Apple's approval? Morons. Apple said that they are the only ones who can only use OS-X. And it's in their EULA. That's monopoly. and Apple has played well its card with it. But if OS-X becomes a 'universal' OS system. Microsoft could be in trouble :S .In this game, I go with Apple.

#508482

¬¬ Uhhhh, Psystar and Apple aren't the same company, so what the **** Psystar wants to make cheaper Macs with out Apple's approval? Morons. Apple said that they are the only ones who can only use OS-X. And it's in their EULA. That's monopoly. and Apple has played well its card with it. But if OS-X becomes a 'universal' OS system. Microsoft could be in trouble :S .In this game, I go with Apple.

What their EULA says does not matter and probably cannot even be upheld in a court of law. The only thing they have against Psystar is piracy, and whether or not Psystar stole Mac OS X I do not know. (though they include the retail package with an original install dvd, so I assume that they did not)

Hmm,

I'm not gonna put this in the news section. Why?

The last thing I need is to have Timan on my ass about legal shit on the front page for every spider to see -- especially when it's about Apple

other than that, though, GO PSYSTAR! I wouldn't mind shelling ~$159 for a PC-based version of OS X.

I don't really see why he would have a problem with it if it is reported from a neutral stance, but ah well. :P

Me neither. I'd give $250 for OS X on a PC long before I would ever spend a similar amount on Windows.

#508485

Lol how can they forcefully take it from you? Do they bang on your door and say "WE KNOW YOU HAVE A PSYSTAR COMP OPEN UP L O L"

#508488

I though those psystar computers were $500... O_O

#508497

The most expensive one i saw on the site was ~1100$

#508498

Yeah... They range from $550-$1100. The macs range $600-1200. I guess if you like official stuff thats a tad overpriced get a mac. If you want more specs for your buck psystar is better.'

I would prefer the official stuff though. I love my brothers macbook. :D

#508499

Lol how can they forcefully take it from you? Do they bang on your door and say "WE KNOW YOU HAVE A PSYSTAR COMP OPEN UP L O L"

No, they'll probably have a list of everybody Psystar sold to and send out legal documents forcing you to give it up or be faced with a fine or some other form of punishment.

#508500

What if we tell them we sold it to a pawn shop. Do they go to the pawn shop? Then what if the person that bought it sells it on Ebay. Do they just go all around to find them?

#508501

What if we tell them we sold it to a pawn shop. Do they go to the pawn shop? Then what if the person that bought it sells it on Ebay. Do they just go all around to find them?

You don't tell them anything. They know who you got it from if they've got a list saying that you bought it from Psystar.

Yeah... They range from $550-$1100. The macs range $600-1200. I guess if you like official stuff thats a tad overpriced get a mac. If you want more specs for your buck psystar is better.'

I would prefer the official stuff though. I love my brothers macbook. :D

Their prices are not even comparable.

OpenPro, slightly over $2,000

Memory: 8GB DDR2 RAM (+ $180.00)

Processor: Core2Quad/2.6GHz Q9450 (+ $175.00)

Hard Drive: 300GB 10000RPM SATA (+ $225.00)

Video Card: GeForce 8800GT 512MB (+ $200.00)

Case: Black

Wireless PCI Express N Card: Included (+ $99.00)

Extra Optical Drive: DVD+/-RW (+ $40.00)

Additional Hard Drive #1: 750GB 7200RPM SATA (+ $175.00)

Additional Hard Drive #2: 750GB 7200RPM SATA (+ $175.00)

Additional Hard Drive #3: 750GB 7200RPM SATA (+ $175.00)

Firewire: 3 x Firewire 800 (PCI-E 1x) (+ $80.00)

USB Bluetooth Dongle: Included (+ $45.00)

Power Supply: 1000W 80PLUS Certified (+ $125.00)

MacPro, over $4,500

One 2.8GHZ Quad-Core Intel Xeon

8GB (4x2GB)

320GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s

750GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s

750GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s

750GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s

NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB

Two 16x SuperDrives

Apple Mighty Mouse

Apple Keyboard + User's Guide

#508504