Psystar 'Open Computer' actually goes through?

Read here, via engadget

Honestly, I just got the biggest "wtf" moment. The Psystar "open computer", which most, if not all, believed to be a hoax, due to the fact that the randomish address and suspicious 'online store' activity, has actually shipped!

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Quoting from Engadget;

Engadget NYC might have gotten to play with Apple's latest and greatest iMac yesterday, but we keep it dirty in the Chi -- yep, we've got the first Psystar Open Computer shipped out for review. We're just getting it set up, but check out the unboxing below, and hit us up with anything you want to know in comments -- you know we're going to put this thing through its paces.

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Yep, that's the sexy new iMac's that we're released not 48 hours ago to the left, and the Psystar "open computer" osx86 machine on the right. With OS X. Leopard. Working. Out of the box.

Alas, it is exactly what it says it is, osx86. With osx86, there are always hardware issues, considering the operating system isn't made for the hardware... Which is exactly what engadget said.

Okay, so we've been playing with the Psystar Open Computer for a few hours now, and we've formed some early impressions and put together a short video of it in action. We haven't really tried to stress the system yet, but based on our other experiences with OSx86 machines, we're expecting things to generally go smoothly. That said, there are some definite rough patches and issues, all mostly having to do with the fact that OS X isn't really built for this hardware.

Here's the low down from Engadget.

# It's running 10.5.2, build 9C31, which is behind the latest Apple build of 9C7010.

# The mobo is a Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L with an Intel G31 Express chipset. We're not sure which model of Core 2 Duo is in there as of yet.

# The graphics card appears to be an NVIDIA GeForce 8600GT, but it doesn't show up in ASP, so we have to confirm. Psystar's store says it's supposed to be a 256MB card, but we have 512MB -- strange.

# It's LOUD. Crazy loud. OS X doesn't seem to interface with the fan controller, so it runs at full tilt all the time. It doesn't really come across on the video, but it's loud enough so that it's hard to talk on the phone when the machine is running. There's no way we could deal with this thing on a daily basis.

# The DHCP lease drops every fifteen minutes or so and you have to manually renew it in prefs.

# Apple System Profiler doesn't know how to read the configurations of several systems, notably memory and audio. The Audio screen just says there's no built-in audio, while the Memory page returns an error.

# That said, audio works just fine, showing up in prefs as HD Audio Output, and obviously the memory works fine.

# We plugged in a couple cameras, an iPod, and an iPhone, everything worked as expected.

# There's no iMovie or iPhoto out of the box, since iLife doesn't come with Leopard -- you'll have to buy it separately.

# Time Machine seemed to recognize an external HD, but we didn't have time to fully test it out.

# The included copy of Leopard was out of the shrinkwrap, but there's no way to install it -- it shows up in Startup Disk but it won't restart, and it's not recognized at boot.

# Front Row works fine.

# You can grab the entire System Profiler file here, if you're so inclined -- just make sure and share with the group if you notice anything crazy, okay?

As far as benchmarks, it doesn't exactly blow Apple's gear away, but it definitely holds its own -- and the GeForce card just destroys the integrated graphics in the MacBook / Mac mini. Check it out:

* All machines tested with Xbench 1.3.

* All machines tested were using Leopard.

* You can check the bold Xbench scores to compare the cumulative results for each test.

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#499281

Personally, blah osx86. Anyone can do that without the need for this specific PC.

Instead? I'd install Linux or XP on that! :D

I'm just a weirdo.

And, dude, dual boot?! Like, it would be a great addition to the whole Psystar unearthment.... Like, how they perform with other operating systems... and stuff like that. Besides! Doing what I said above by installing XP or Linux you can do simple CPUID dumps to get the missing info, such as the "unknown" Core 2 Duo processor type. Heck, they can do it inside OS X too, I'm pretty sure!

They just don't know where to look >_>'

Ay.

#499283

Im surprised Apple haven't yet sued the pants off them!

There must be some legal loophole or technicality holding them back.

#499289

I think I heard somewhere that they don't install it when they ship it... they leave YOU to install it.

Which, now that I've read this, makes me believe otherwise.

#499299

am i the only one thats noticed that the left hand screen the iMac doesn't have a dock while the right hand screen i suppose the Psystar does

kick me if I'm wrong but would this just be a duel screen setup using the dvi out on the iMac with the dock just dragged to the other screen?

#499304

am i the only one thats noticed that the left hand screen the iMac doesn't have a dock while the right hand screen i suppose the Psystar does

kick me if I'm wrong but would this just be a duel screen setup using the dvi out on the iMac with the dock just dragged to the other screen?

The user could have just auto-hide the dock. Being that the newer "Psystar" Mac was just set up, the user didn't have time to customize to the way he liked it. Also, I believe the Finder bar should be a tell tale. The second monitor shouldn't have it, at least from what I experienced.

#499308

am i the only one thats noticed that the left hand screen the iMac doesn't have a dock while the right hand screen i suppose the Psystar does

kick me if I'm wrong but would this just be a duel screen setup using the dvi out on the iMac with the dock just dragged to the other screen?

What Wizard said. In addition, this is Engadget making the video. Not to sound too arrogant, but I highly doubt they're faking this at all.

#499315

I would buy it.

#499327

Honestly, I would too.

#499329

I made my own from a scrap PC I had laying around in the office.

Didn't cost me a thing for the hardware. Just had to buy the OS X install DVD and then patch it. (3 files)

It's a Dell OptiPlex GX620 (3Ghz Pentium D dual core with 4 GB ram)

And I can even do updates. Just have to watch out for updates the touch the kernel.

#499345

Lolz.. no this is true because they featured this in MacWorld podcast

#499442

It's engadget, so duh, they can't fake it. They even have the machine for pete's sake.

#499453

Me i just installed leopard my self [cough] leoforall [/cough]. If i was going to buy a Psystar i would wait awhile, there are a couple problems (link) that some people are running into. Just do it your self. When Apple sues them they will probably bankrupt Psystar and then you will have no way of fixing it if you have issues. Or Apple could totally flip a ***** and start selling leopard as a OS that can run on any computer. The only way it will ever happen is if they sell tiger instead of leopard like that.

#499484

I made my own from a scrap PC I had laying around in the office.

Didn't cost me a thing for the hardware. Just had to buy the OS X install DVD and then patch it. (3 files)

It's a Dell OptiPlex GX620 (3Ghz Pentium D dual core with 4 GB ram)

And I can even do updates. Just have to watch out for updates the touch the kernel.

is all the hardware functional?

#499554

haven't you heard of the OSX86? any pc can will do. just a few patch. you don't need to buy this thing because its a normal pc.

#500135

Osx86 is a pain in the ass to get up and running, but once you do put in all the time, and money to get the correct hardware, it is worth it... but worth it compared to a real mac? thats up to you.

#500143

guys, everything is illegal.

forget about it. just buy a mac mini. it worth it.

#500150

In most cases most of your hardware works (stuff that usually doesn't need a driver to work), there's a few things that don't.

For laughs I installed it. Problems I've experienced on my laptop are:

- Video Card not recognized; when Leopard is forced to recognize the video card, it kernel panics;

- Wireless Card not recognized w/o third party software;

- No sound;

- A community of individuals that are for the most part, completely unhelpful and unwilling to render assistance (very different from Mac OS, Windows, & Linux communities). 'We got it two work on our machine; screw you.'

That should be enough to make you stick with Windows, or Mac OS, or Linux. Fun to tinker with, but not really worth it.

#500382

I've been into this thing last October. And I have a mediocre PC and I was surprised that it is very compatible.

And also, they are risking OSx86 community. And I Psystar for creating and generating such profit on a free experimental thing.

This PC is a waste if you already have a latest-gen PC. Few patching, hours of reading on the forums and boom. OSx86 in front of ya. But I already stopped OSx86 because it's very useless and I still rely on the Windows programs. (but Keynote is the real deal).

I'd buy a mac if I have money, but all I can say is that, thanks to OSx86, I fulfilled my twisted fantasy of licking those cute aqua buttons. A dream of 2002 ; fulfilled @ 2007.

time really is the answer.

#501021

Point 1 - Apple chasing down PsyStar. This is not likely as it stands right now. Apple knows that these machines are not as reliable as their product; in addition, they are a major pain to update. Furthermore, Apple knows about the OSx86 community and really doesn't care. Namely, it's getting their product into PC users hands and exposing them to it. Alot of OSx86 people later go on to buy Macs. I did, MacBook 2.2ghz Core Due.

Point 2 - OSx86 on any computer. While it's true there are few computers now that can run OSx86, you're best bet is to buy the components and build one yourself as closely to Apple's specs as you can. I built mine with an Intel Q6600 Quad Core 2.4ghz, Foxconn Mars mainboard (intel P35 chipset), and an eVGA GeForce 8800GTS PCI. Using Leo4All v2 it works perfect. I had to fix a few things but nothing critical. I also then went out and bought a 3 license copy of Leopard. Apple put a lot of time into the OS and if you're going to use it you should pay for it.

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