Aqua-Soft Forumshey man. I just got your new updated version of NG from wincustomize. Man it looks great. Here is the deal with the start bar. This is a way to make alot of people happy. The thing to remember is small. Mac's have a finder bar on top that is very thin. When we all as aqua people skin, and use object bar there are problems with having a theme with a large start menu. Object bar hides the taskbar but in some sense it is still there. For instance when people use msn messenger, the notifications pop down where the taskbar would normally be. Or when u have the apple logo in object bar act to the start menu, it pops up where it would normally be. So when there is a big taskbar in the theme, things have a space between them and object bar. The way to fix this is to have a theme that has a taskbar the same size as a finder bar such as iceman's themes. This will not only fix the problem but make it look more macish from the start. Anyway, this new version is tons better, the gap is alot smaller but i was just wondering if you could just shrink it alittle for us and then post it here maybe. I dont think anyone here, well at least me, cares about what it looks like, its just the size that matters so it looks good with object bar. Anyway please post back wither way and let us know. Thank you so much for the good work, it is sooooo aweosme. Thank you,