New Moby Vs Y'z

What do y'all think? I just played around with the new Moby and these are my reactions thus far...

Somehow the Moby seems a little less "responsive" as does Y'z...dunno why. The icons which Moby brings really stink right off of the bat, so I changed them all around to look like Y'z and it still didn't look precisely like my beloved Y'z dock looks...

The eMail checking tool which Moby brings is cool b/c it's intergrated, but unfortunately the graphics are nowhere near as good as the ones that the Mail Check docklet brings. I tried to change the icons but really, you can tell they weren't meant for each other (the Mail Check built into Moby and the Mail Check docklet for Y'z icons).

I must say that I miss the docklets when I use Moby... The CPU docklet is something I actually seem to look at quite a bit. The iCal docklet I've gron accusomted to. The clock which Y'z brings allows for the use of different icons while only some icons seem to look well with the clock in Moby's...

Also, the icons seem far less "sharp" and clear when the magnification occurs in Moby... Dunno why this happens, but it's kind of unattractive...

Adding tools to Y'z seems easier...for some reason there is little to do, just drag, drop, change icons, bam... But the menu system in Moby seems, sadly, slightly more "user friendly" which almost complicates things for someone like me...

I wish that Y'z support would continue, but Mr. Y has clearly stated that it is over, forever, on his website. I guess that for now, I'll have to stick with Y'z. I guess that for now it'll be fine, considering that the latest Y'z was fully operational and works fine.

#39489

Moby is supposed to be to most responsive dock... it's acclerated by the graphics card and its even smoother than the real osx dock. I have been trying the all versions of yz dock and objectdock when it's released but i always go back to moby cause after getting used to moby, i can no longer stand the choppy slow magnifications of other docks. true, the icons suck off the bat but thats there just to keep apple off his ass plus its not that hard to change icons and dont you have to do that too for the other docks?

Adding tools to Y'z seems easier...for some reason there is little to do, just drag, drop, change icons, bam... But the menu system in Moby seems, sadly, slightly more "user friendly" which almost complicates things for someone like me...

isnt it the same for moby too?? what else do you have to do besides draging the item into the dock, changing the icon if required and perhaps change the name too. Extra items are add on the separator menu just like yz has the add dockets option on the separator menu.

Mail check icons for moby can be found in the 0.75 thread. It's not hard to make them yourself...just edit one of your icons.add a little area of the numbers to appear on the top left hand corner. Icons being less sharp might have something to do with your graphic card settings because it's hardware accelerated.. mine are definitely as sharp as icons in yz or od.

#39505

@ LinuxDude

You are speaking about two different applications, don't catch what you like of one, in the other.

If you still like YZ Dock, still use it.

Please, don't make free criticism to a new release of a old-time great app.

#39506

@HearshotKidDisaster:

I see what you're saying about 'smoothness.' It really is quite smooth and nice, I agree 100%.

I thought Moby .77 was supposed to have docklet support, but I'm yet to see anything on this subject. Also, it seems as though when I compare Y'z to Moby, Moby uses far more page file and physical memory than does Y'z...

Just a few minor complaints...other than that, Moby is a nice dock in and of itself.

#39509

Linuxdude,

Where'd you hear that the new mobydock would have docklets support. I haven't heard him talk about that, and i dont think its in a thread. Is this a personal opinion you had? I think i like this dock better than y'z. It is much less choppier, and does everything that i wanted it to and more. Y'z can't show running tasks the same way the mobydock can. I like the new build a LOT. Again, props to you Moby, you do good work.

-psikadelik

#39510

i agree with the original post in this thread, yz still feels more responsive, and it doesn't have the pain in the ass mipmap problem that mobydock has, it has docklet support, and i've never had it crash, moby's new one on the other hand crashed 3 times on my system right off the line...

overall, yz used to crank out updates constantly, and seemed to listen to what people wanted or would like.

moby on the other hand doesn't seem to listen/care about what people want, is slow to develop, and releases buggy docks (which since he only releases once in a while, the bugs stay around for a long time)...

moby dock is cool because it uses directx, but other than that, yz seems to be the more talented developer (even apple was scared of yz )

#39592

Hey man, what about try to make your own dock by yourself?

#39616

se7enzer0: You are threadng on a very fine line now. Moby is a great person and does care and listen to about what people say concerning his app. The features he implemented are much closer to how the original OSX works. The only problem is compatibility depending on your cpu and graphicscard.

You are a new member and you probably didn't know that Moby was the pioneer and the FIRST to create a usable and FREE dock for windows users like us. Unless you can prove yourself a better programmer, don't dare criticise anyone here.

#39644

I have to disagree with the Moby-bashing thead. It's a beautiful dock, and must was indeed written by a talented programmer.

I am kind of concerned about the amount of memory that Moby requires to run, in comparison with Y'z.

I have had Y'z crash in the past, especially while the weather docklet updated...

I'm still considering which one I will run.

#39645

You make too big of a deal out of memory usage. From using unix, ive learned that looking at somethings current memory usage is not really a fair comparision.

When something else needs the memory, most likely, mobydock will quickly give it up. This is not really a problem, because WinXPs memory management is pretty good.

If you dont feel your system slowing down, then don't worry about it.

#39646

I can't agree that everyone decides between Mobydock and Y'z Dock. Both are really great apps but on my system (IBM Thinkpad R40 Pentium-M 1,5 GHz, 512 GB, Radeon Mobility 7500 32 MB) Objectdock is by far the smoothest one. But that's only my experience!

#39654

Originally posted by contrasutra@Jul 11 2003, 09:44 PM

You make too big of a deal out of memory usage. From using unix, ive learned that looking at somethings current memory usage is not really a fair comparision.

When something else needs the memory, most likely, mobydock will quickly give it up. This is not really a problem, because WinXPs memory management is pretty good.

If you dont feel your system slowing down, then don't worry about it.

lol...I guess maybe you're right. There is of course only 512mb to run around, so when something takes "too much" I get worried...

I've never really pushed my memory usage the limit... Maybe I should try and see what happens...

Either which way, when all my other friends are running their computers and using 98mb of page file usage, and when I boot I'm using a minimum of 160, I start to wonder...

Maybe you're right.

:canadian:

#39662

whoa, easy there guys, i'm not moby hating or something, nor am i any sort of a fanboy for any of the docks. i definately think moby can take a little criticism and think you all are a little silly for acting like he's a diety, i have the utmost respect for him, i code for a living, so i don't think i could do it in my freetime, so going by his talent he probably codes for a living and does it in his freetime. which deserves a lot of praise. all i was saying is the following:

a: it (mobydock) is not released very often, so bugs linger

b: the NUMBER ONE request (docklets), has gone essentially ignored

c: OMG MIPMAPS, DRIVE ME CRAZY GRRRRRR, this is the sole reason i don't use mobydock, i refuse to leave mipmaps on highest quality for a dock, just to turn them back to performance for gaming

i don't care who was first, or who anyone thinks is better, they're all different, and criticism should be welcome because of the competition, not shunned.

@linuxdude, the memory usage bothers me too, 37mb for a dock is a little excessive

#39674

@se7enzer0, I'm glad I'm not alone! That's how much mine is taking up... Beautiful dock, I just can't afford the memory real estate.

#39683

Heres the million dollar question:

Does your computer feel slower w/ MD than Y'z? If it does, you may have a problem, if not, DONT WORRY ABOUT IT.

What use is empty RAM anyway? Haviong your RAM 99% full isn't any slower than 10% full. Its not like a Harddrive.

#39687

I don't like the Mobydock's parabolic zooming. It isn't as good and smooth as the one in ObjectDock. The same goes for Yz Dock.

#39689

Originally posted by contrasutra@Jul 11 2003, 09:06 PM

Heres the million dollar question:

Does your computer feel slower w/ MD than Y'z? If it does, you may have a problem, if not, DONT WORRY ABOUT IT.

What use is empty RAM anyway? Haviong your RAM 99% full isn't any slower than 10% full. Its not like a Harddrive.

computer heirchy for information retrieval of register/cache/.dll's/anygoddammedthing:

L1cache->L2cache->ram->pagefile

thus the more "free" memory you have sitting around, the more you can cache before having to hit your hd, thus by running 100mb more lean applications as opposed to fat applications like mobydock or winamp3, the pagefile won't have to be hit and you'll save cycles waiting for data from page

so...YES IT IS SLOWER, how much? well, not a ton, but if you're talking about mr. sutra's case, a lot slower in the long run

#39728

I just love the printscreen fuction on mobydock.

Could someone not make a docklet like that

#39738

I have 4 monitors and use all the docks. Y's is the smoothest without apps running, od is the fastest with no apps running, but Mobydock beats them all when the chips are loaded...fast and smooth no matter what.

#39751

Originally posted by se7enzer0@Jul 12 2003, 12:27 PM

b: the NUMBER ONE request (docklets), has gone essentially ignored

Hmmm. I've been wondering if this [lack of Docklet support] is beacause Moby doesn't want to get a letter from the nice people at Apple. :police: .....

CJW

ps not that I use Docklets anyway (waste of system resources on my slightly ageing system!)

#39758

hi,

just some comments on the docklet topic here.

at the moment i don't think i will add support for plugins. the request for docklets alone means nothing until you are a developer and want to integrate your own functions into the dock. i don't get why the users request docklets or plugins. they (the users) should request functions or special items like 'i want an item to take screenshots via the dock' or ' i want an item for showing cpu-usage' etc.

so users, you can always request special functions you want for the dock. afterwards i can decide whether this is a request by a single user or by a high amount of users. than i can decide to add this feature or not.

moby

#39765

moby,

I think docklets will serve you most of all us users. even if there is another one developer who can program 1-2 plugins, will save you time and you can focus on the improvement of the dock itself.

Right now you receive comments and requests concerning everything... dock issues, plugins comments, requests for new plugins, etc. Too much feedback and too much to think about. and too hard to keep everyone happy.

Plugins would help to create a more flexible dock, with features more easily and frequently released.

Good luck!

Ken

#39776

Originally posted by moby@Jul 12 2003, 08:25 AM

at the moment i don't think i will add support for plugins. the request for docklets alone means nothing until you are a developer and want to integrate your own functions into the dock.

HAY GUYS I WASN'T RIGHT AT ALL WAS I?

THE NUMBER FRIGGIN ONE REQUEST IS GOING TO STAY IGNORED!

this is what i was talking about, moby doesn't seem to be developing for everyone so much as he is for himself, if 1000/1500 people request support for plugins and you go "hey...i really don't see a reason for that, so i'm not going to do it", YOU ARE NOT PAYING VERY MUCH ATTENTION

coding wise, you have to make it so snap-ins can be included, which can mean re-writing your code, so its not to say that it wouldn't take some time, but hell, yz did it <_<

#39786

Originally posted by se7enzer0@Jul 12 2003, 03:24 PM

HAY GUYS I WASN'T RIGHT AT ALL WAS I?

THE NUMBER FRIGGIN ONE REQUEST IS GOING TO STAY IGNORED!

this is what i was talking about, moby doesn't seem to be developing for everyone so much as he is for himself, if 1000/1500 people request support for plugins and you go "hey...i really don't see a reason for that, so i'm not going to do it", YOU ARE NOT PAYING VERY MUCH ATTENTION

coding wise, you have to make it so snap-ins can be included, which can mean re-writing your code, so its not to say that it wouldn't take some time, but hell, yz did it <_<

se7en you need to chill out man...

but i do think you have something of a point, i would gladly give $$ so features that developers and users here want, especially something like docklets, which seems to be the most talked about thing on here right now

***long time listener, first time caller***

#39790

I dont like comparing applications, the dock applications especially because the programmers spend vast amounts of time and energy trying to make something nice and productive for us to use everyday. All the docks have ups and downs so maybe a "Which Dock Do You Prefer" poll is more preferable? Iunno..

#39800