Aqua-Soft ForumsI dont feel I like Panther os much as Jaguar, Panther just doesnt have the appeal that Jaguar had, dunno why.
Is It Me, Or Is Jaguar Theme Alot Better Looking
Panther looks like SS sunken, but darker. Ive seen it enough.
yeah, plus the "lines" like in the bars and backgrounds are almost non-existant...I love the lines in the Jaguar theme. Think I have seen enough of Panther.
Now I am even going to order my 17" Powerbook Laptop with Jaguar on it before I am forced to have Panther. Wife and I are now hunting for the best deal we can find.
Don't want Panther on my system. Doesn't appeal to me at all.
I wouldn't worry about how it looks. Apple's GUI is one that you caan get used to quickly; I am speaking from experience. I used to HATE the new iTunes look, now it doesn't bother me at all. It will grow on you, don't worry.
If it doesn't, Im sure someone will develop a theme that replicates Jaguar. In either case, all Macs and all software developed for Macs will require Panther before long. Don't let the GUI hold you back from updating.
-godpunk
There's something about the min/max/close buttons I like though, like you can't decide are they embedded or they're raised.
In my old theme it's just too badly made to see though, and in kol's theme he uses different buttons. In my port of his theme you should be able to see it.
I like it it's sleek.
I think aqua was more push pin pin-up boards for windows. Panther has gone back to graphickz stylee,
What blows me away about panther is that new colour of the buttons, that glowy turquoise, you have to admit, the panther ui is more lickable than any that has come before.
The jaguar buttons? Phweck! Dark, hard, ugly windows style.
But the panther buttons glow,.. you must see an apple panther screen shot (or wait for my mod, ahem), I think they're a masterpiece of design, that turquoise glow.
It's strange that apple has not made the OS skinable, I mean, you can apply themes but it's like hacking the system (and be careful doing this because I had to reinstall Jaguar after changing the theme). In this aspect XP is much more versatile.
About panther, I think it's a nice theme, we'll get used to it after a week. I didn't like the iTunes new look and now I find it better than the old one.
The first time that I saw Pather I didnt like it but now I like it more than Jaguar 
Anything Apple releases, even if I didn't like it initially, I start to like it more and more as time progresses.
Apple embeds mind control widgets in the GUI 
Originally posted by KoL@Jul 5 2003, 01:57 PMThe first time that I saw Pather I didnt like it but now I like it more than Jaguar
same here
Originally posted by frenzyfloyd@Jul 5 2003, 07:53 AMIt's strange that apple has not made the OS skinable, I mean, you can apply themes but it's like hacking the system (and be careful doing this because I had to reinstall Jaguar after changing the theme). In this aspect XP is much more versatile.
There is an app called AquaFix that restores the default interface if you load a corrupted theme. It takes most of the worry out of applying themes, and it has saved my ass a couple times as well. Download it, put it in your Apps folder, and if you ever load a corrupted theme, follow these instructions (taken from Max Rudberg's support page):
"AquaFix can be run from the command line simply by typing "aquafix" at the command prompt in the Terminal application. This means you can restore aqua defaults even if your interface is messed up to the point of being unable to boot into OS X. The procedure for running AquaFix when you cannot boot X is as follows:
1. Start up your computer holding command-s
2. When you get a command prompt, type /sbin/fsck -y and press return
3. When the prompt returns, type /sbin/mount -uw / and press return
4. Type sudo aquafix at the prompt and press return
5. Continue booting OS X by typing exit at the prompt and pressing return.
You may want to print this procedure, as when you need to run it, you probably won't be able to access this document."
I have followed these same exact instructions before, and it saved me a reinstall and the loss of valuble info. Just some advice for mac users, since you brought it up!
-godpunk
yeah, AquaFix is an amazing app. It restores more than just the GUI elements - it can also restore corrupt system files.
I too ran into alot of trouble while customizing the GUI, but AquaFix was always there for me (Y)
I know AquaFix and I used it to restore the original skin (in command prompt mode). Everything was ok, but after 30-40 minutes since I did it, the OS frozen so I restarted and the mac wouldn't boot
that's what I was talking about... be careful with AquaFix because it's not completely safe
Woah, Macs have fsck? I thought the Mac file system would be better than that. Linux file systems havent needed that for a couple years now. You usually only use that if the file system isn't journaled.
Originally posted by contrasutra@Jul 5 2003, 03:20 PMWoah, Macs have fsck? I thought the Mac file system would be better than that. Linux file systems havent needed that for a couple years now. You usually only use that if the file system isn't journaled.
there is an option to enable or enable journaling, you have just_a_few_seconds boot time. And of course great reliability (Y).
But isn't it slower?
I don't know, I think since OS X, Apple has caught my eye. Its kinda embarassing to let the look of an operating system control you. . .but when XP was released I couldn't wait to get that Blue Luna and to get rid of the average 98/2k look. . .after a week I went to the silver Luna. . .couldn't take the cartoon anymore.
Then Apple's OS X caught my eye, ooooh sweeeet crap.
Hated iTunes 4's comparingly to 3's. . .but now I can't live without it.
Hated Panther compared to Jag. . .oh. . .mmmmm. . .Panther. . .mmmmm. . .sleek
Apple's designers are masters of elegance and simplicity.
Whatever they do, eventually I like.
Yeah, some people say adding journaling is slower, but maybe 1-2%, and since data is generally important (data -who needs that), you would be an idiot to not use journaling when you have the opportunity.
Originally posted by godpunk@Jul 5 2003, 09:30 PMHow do you enable journaling in OS X? Anyone know?
-godpunk
Cocktail.
Im sure OSX comes with Journaling enabled by default though.
Originally posted by contrasutra@Jul 5 2003, 09:37 PMIm sure OSX comes with Journaling enabled by default though.
Well, I'm pretty sure he'd rather do it using a nice interface compared to having to do it in Terminal..
Thanks Taha.
@Contra: I don't think it does; I have booted into OS X through verbose boot before, and there was no notice of journaling. I think it is a hidden feature, enabled through Terminal commands or a third party app like Cocktail.
-godpunk
Yes, its pretty much hidden.
Basically, does the system make you do an fsck every 21 days or if you do a hard reboot? The check probobly takes a while, so you'd notice.
If not, then its journaled. The older non journaled *nix systems use to make you run fsck every month because of the data loss.
no I don't have to fsck every month or anything like that.. and it takes around 1-1.5 minutes to boot.
WITH journaling it takes about 30 seconds.
I read somewhere (I think it was my OS X Missing Manual) that OS X runs fsck during every boot. I think that cuts down on the time (rather than doing it once every 3 weeks) during each boot.
-godpunk
It taking a long time to boot is it doing a some-what fsck. It takes longer to boot w/o journaling because its scanning for all the lost data.
Do you actually run your system w/o journaling taha?