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Overload of Avetunes Widgets and nothing else!

Hope this is the right place....not very easy to tell what you can and cant post where and when around here. So apologies in advance if my post is against the rules, I posted it in the wrong place or I am not allowed to voice and opinion that goes against the grain.

Anyway, Avedesk is a fantastic program and now we have avescripter to help people code their own. My question is where are the widgets and apps? There seems to be a total overload of Itunes skins and nothing else at all. Now I am gonna be the first to admit even with avescripter all that coding is double dutch to me I have tried and its just gives me a massive headache. So please dont point the finger at me as being a typical attitude of users around here and reason why we have so little apps..

So whats wrong with Avedesk atm? Why are people not making widgets, is it that much harder to make a widget than say for Konfubulator or DesktopX both of which have thousands of widgets. I use Avedesk as it does not use a seperate .exe for every bloody instance and very low on mem usage. As a program it is extremely stable and well coded imo. But its killing me with the lack of widgets.

I seriously think some promoting needs to be done on the Avedesk front. It has huge potential imo, and some unique effects etc. Maybe we need to push harder to get Avetunes on more sites. However, peeps wont d/load if there are not the variety of widgets to use such as other similar apps. I try and promote on a forum i go on where i consitently post my desk, but user d/load avedesk and get bored. Where are the widgets they say? All I can say is sorry there just arent that many.

A suggestion would be to have a competition with a prize, however as to what I am not sure. I would happily donate via paypal some money to pay for this prize if I knew that it would see a large return in new and exciting widgets to use.

Thoughts and opinions are welcome.

#347642

why, what are you missing? after a calendar, weather, music and maybe a pop3 widget, everything else is 'gravy' as they say. so, when a widget like biocal or RoAr comes out, it's a nice suprise and definitely something different.

besides, you can always post in the 'requests' forum...

#347651

Oh believe me the widget I want I posted a request about. However, it was not taken up and you are not allowed to bump for interest so whats the point?

#347653

Oh, Recall, I agree completely. I try my best, but the most problem is that I don't have much time.

#347669

Oh, Recall, I agree completely. I try my best, but the most problem is that I don't have much time.

Ahh well I am least not on my own in my train of thought. I dont think gimmick gadgets are teh key to success. However truly useable ones, a real nice clock that does not hog CPU power, a flashy calender. More RSS widgets, system monitoring of temps etc, bandwidth monitoring. A calender that full takes advantage of the flip but looks real cool on the desk as it is.

Just some ideas, but something really needs to be done about the avetunes issue. There is little to no support for Winamp and that is a much more widely used app than iTunes.

#347707

I am trying to get DockEx to be more open to other widgets to make it a place for everyone to upload their work. I added new categories for AveScripter and even SysStats is now its own category. Ofcourse -- I can't really force anyone -- the other sites themselves are great :)

maybe when i get the "community" thing going it'll be a place were people can put their stuff online and tag them so people can find whatever they want! :)

#347760

Have to kinda agree with Shmengie on this one. When you say more RSS widgets, this I don't understand as you can duplicate the desklet and insert another feed, etc.

Myself I'm learning vbs/javascript in order to port and/or understand how to work with SysStats model.

Please keep in mind that all of these developers have to make a living which as we all know takes a good chunk of time...and for many "sucks the life outta ya"! ;)

#347761

I'd like to do more widgets, but AveScripter is taking my time. Especially with the latest changes I'm adding into it. The Flashplayer, browser and the list is just growing.

Limited time of course is always an issue.

I tried creating www.avedesk.org to have 1 place to upload desklets. But I don't have much time to put into it and also, I'm not sure how things will be with the increase of bandwidth.

The site started with a few hits, but now its getting very busy and 100 gig bandwidth is becoming a issue.

What is needed is,

1) One site to rule it all. Maybe a joint effort between all 3 devs I suppose. I've very open to the idea.

2) Installation program. I can make one in a few minutes, but it would be good idea to have a few desklets installed with it. A few Systat, AveScripter and Native AveDesk ones.

More planning is needed. Or someone to orginize all.

#347889

Would it be possible to intergrate Avescripter and Sysstats into Avedesk as one program? I think this would help alot with confusion. However its nice to see the "big boys" who actually program the desklets answering. Like I said the potential and coding abilitie is there it just needs a more concerted effort. I like the idea of a one site fits all. However i think Avedesk, Avesript and Systats need to become one.

Whats your thoughts?

#347891

i personally think the itunes widget needs a revamp the rest seems to be going fine......the reason why i stress itunes is that it has problems with some features in that many malfunction like when the albumart doesnt update or the track name refuses to update....also the fact that when you tell it to not show itunes its shown anyway...its a great app but ti needs updating !

plus if anyone can make it so that it replaces the miniplayer then that would be great

#347896

Avescripter can be used to do ITunes player... I just didn't have enough time to do a good version and well documented.

Again.. Things on my list to do... (list seems endless)

#347900

When you mean integrate, are you talking make it all into 1 file/dll/exe? Or just pacakged together?

Would it be possible to intergrate Avescripter and Sysstats into Avedesk as one program? I think this would help alot with confusion. However its nice to see the "big boys" who actually program the desklets answering. Like I said the potential and coding abilitie is there it just needs a more concerted effort. I like the idea of a one site fits all. However i think Avedesk, Avesript and Systats need to become one.

Whats your thoughts?

#347901

When you mean integrate, are you talking make it all into 1 file/dll/exe? Or just pacakged together?

I mean 1 file/dll/exe one program does all rather than having each part as an add on. I think Avedesk first/best chance is maximum functionality with the simplicity of not having to add various programs/add ons.

#347927

I dont think gimmick gadgets are teh key to success.

Believe it or not, but I always do the things I (personally) need at the moment. Sometimes I release those things.

#347940

I mean 1 file/dll/exe one program does all rather than having each part as an add on. I think Avedesk first/best chance is maximum functionality with the simplicity of not having to add various programs/add ons.

One file will not work. Sysstat supports other plateforms and my dll is in a different language (Delphi). But having 1 wouldn't make any real difference. The average user doesn't really about that. But having it more "Integrated" making invisible or having it packaged together. Except for the last options (browser/flash) all the other stuff is tied close to the avedesk engine. And I'm sure sysstat is the same thing.

#347942

Have to kinda agree with Shmengie on this one...

HA!! not everyone thinks i'm an idiot!! i am so so great...me, me, me, me, meeeeeee!!! :)

#347945

I mean 1 file/dll/exe one program does all rather than having each part as an add on. I think Avedesk first/best chance is maximum functionality with the simplicity of not having to add various programs/add ons.

If you are worried of those who doesn't have AveScripter and has to download it for managing their laziness and become an enthusiastic widget creator - I hope AVe will release an AveDesk repack (there was alredy one package by kgrafik, it was an installer of the whole AveDesk). AveScripter and SysStats both should be included.

Eventually the end user doesn't care how much files there is in program. But he cares of easy using (download->doubleclick->click Next->enjoy->go to site->download something->doubleclick->enjoy).

However, I also had the idea of some "incorporated AveDesk in one file", maybe with the only widget inside (just to have it on Flash USB drive and to launch on any machine)

#347950

To make a package installation would take a few mins... I just want to have a next release done for avescripter before doing so

#347951

BTW, the desklet I really wish to make is the aveinst maker for AveScripter configs. This would be a nice help for devs.

#347952

I got a desklet that I started to do for Devs. To create a GUI that will help people create desklets. But thats currently on hold, but i'll get back to it. Same core engine of scripter but allows you to designe at runtime (Drag drop) layers etc.

Anyhow this is off topic.

#347958

I say put all widgets/avescripter/systats everything on one site, that includes all skins located on every site out there on one resource it will save loads of time finding them and it will just make the app so much bigger look at Wincustomize all stardock apps skins are there how easy is it to find stuff, imo its pretty easy.

AveDesk should be similar

I do agree we need better things to monitor HD/Bandwidth/Wirless connectivity/Ram extensions

#347963

I think 1 site is good idea.... I started avedesk.org with the idea of doing exactly that.

I currently got neal working at making a better website page etc.

Might need to get a better location to deal with major bandwidth. Over 200 gigs per month if I add up the bandwidth i'm running and Andreas.

This is the reason why I have a poll going on at the site asking user if ads would be ok to help pay the bandwidth usage. Its the only way I can think of maintaining the site. Don't mind doing free software, but site costs money.

Side note:

I got a wireless connectivity done.. I'll ask Javier if he has time to do some graphics.

#347975

I would totally agree with ads on your site, free software has to generate money for its site imo. As long as the ads are not horredous flash based ones, or annoying pop ups that come up all the time then I am all for it :D

Oh and wireless connectivity widget is a bonus! Wil be very interested in that for sure.

However the main point and keys of this thread are imo:

1:) Centralizing Avedesk

2:) Generating income for better bandwidth and better looking site for Avedesk et all.

3:) More widgets that are useful rather than gimmicky

4:) Enough of Avetunes skins already lol!

#348007

Avetunes skin, IMO is the easiest thing to create for Avedesk, that's why we're flooded with avetunes skins. Not everyone is capable of making desklet, but most of them can create a decent Avetunes. Just my 2 cents...

#348010