[discuss] Intel Macs in '06

Found this artical while visiting neowin...original here

The first commercial Apple Macintosh computers running on Intel processors may be released a bit earlier than expected, believes UBS Investment Research analyst Ben Reitzes. He claims that Apple will have new products and content to announced at the Macworld Expo scheduled for early January and notes that Intel is expected to unveil its dual-core Yonah processor for mobiles also early next year.

The analyst, excepts from whose research notes were published by AppleInsider web-site, believes that early January, 2006, is a possible timeframe for the first Intel-based Apple computers to debut. UBS researchers suppose that the first of Apple’s computers to use Intel processor, in particular, Intel’s next-generation Pentium M flavour code-named Yonah, will be Mac Mini. The firm claims that Apple’s strategy will be to equip its computers with Intel processors starting from the most affordable models.

“We continue to believe that both the PowerMac and PowerBook will be introduced at a later date (late 2006 or early 2007) – with the possible use of the Intel’s Merom processor for the PowerBook and Conroe processor for the PowerMac,” Mr. Reitzes is reported to have said.

Currently Apple’s Mac mini, iBook and PowerBook computers use IBM G4 processors at up to 1.67GHz. Potentially, Apple could replace those chips with Intel Yonah processors, providing mobile and entry-level users with a processor that features two processing engines, thus, works faster in case numerous applications are running. However, Apple recently updated its iMac with IBM G5 (PowerPC 970FX) and PowerMac with dual-core G5 (IBM PowerPC 970MP), thus, the company may decide not to give its entry-level Mac mini serious processing power and initiate transition from other products. A possibility for Apple would be to transit all of its desktop products to the G5 chips and either to do this with the mobile lineup as well, or to begin offering Intel Inside laptops.

Apple announced plans to deliver models of its Macintosh computers using Intel microprocessors by mid-2006, and to transition all of its Macs to using Intel microprocessors by the end of 2007. The computer maker did not comment on the news-story.

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Do you think apple will go down on the price of there computers??

And Mac users...would you rather have Intel chips or stick with your PowerPC's??

#329861

Personally, I am REALLY looking forward to the Intel Macs and I hope Apple won't disappoint me. I think the move to x86 is a good thing. If I buy an x86-Mac, being able to run OS X AND Windows will be a BIG plus. That way, you get the best of both worlds and that's really what I'm looking forward to. The only thing that may happen is Microsoft making some sort of code which prevents versions of Windows from running on Mac x86 boxes thereby keeping the market segmented. Otherwise, it'd be really interesting to how software developers and conusmers will react once OS X and Windows can run side by side. Maybe then, people will have a REAL choice of two well-established user-friendly operating systems on the same hardware platform..

#329869

I'm not so sure...

but I do like the idea of Games being ported more easily to similar hardware- What I dont want to see is compatability issues prone to windows with reguards to hardware- Mac can be expandable but it has to be limited- One of Steve Job's philosphies is to make sure that his company manages almost everything so that the left hand knows what the right hand is doing...I just hope Apple has a lot of input into intel.

I dont believe that Windows will be easily run on intel/apple hardware...I hope Job's limits that in some sense...as soon as you mix windows and apple you're likely to get problems.

#329872

Personally, I am REALLY looking forward to the Intel Macs and I hope Apple won't disappoint me. I think the move to x86 is a good thing. If I buy an x86-Mac, being able to run OS X AND Windows will be a BIG plus. That way, you get the best of both worlds and that's really what I'm looking forward to. The only thing that may happen is Microsoft making some sort of code which prevents versions of Windows from running on Mac x86 boxes thereby keeping the market segmented. Otherwise, it'd be really interesting to how software developers and conusmers will react once OS X and Windows can run side by side. Maybe then, people will have a REAL choice of two well-established user-friendly operating systems on the same hardware platform..

I too find this really exciting a time to be looking for a new computer.

I would love the opportunity to dual-boot OSX and Windows on some MAC hardware getting the best of both worlds. I would suspect that most of the time I would be using OSX and on the rare occasion when I needed it I would be able to boot up Windows. I love the styling of the iMAC hardware and the fact that it is has a one-cable setup something that I am sorely wanting with my current Wintel. The other hardware benefits would be early support for Bluetooth 2.0 EDR and hopefully a HD capable LCD screen.

The copy of windows that I already own would hopefully be sufficinet and I wouldn't need to fork out any extra money for another OS. And I would have easy access to the iLife suite, what I believe to be one of the main strengths of working with OSX.

The only thing that worries me is whether I would be able to access info stored on the HFS partition from Windows- I've been told that Windows has patchy HFS support at best. I could easily solve that by storing all my shared files on a FAT or NTFS partition- but I am assuming that this wouldn't cripple things like Spotlight, Anyone know?

#329873

are you guys serious? i can run windows easily on a intel powered mac? is it like virtualPC or can i load this puppy straight up by creating a seperate partition for windows?

#329877

As far as prices go, i doubt we will see much a price break. We are paying for more than just the processor; overall design, etc.

Although, a slight price break might make a smidge of sense as I think they really want to bust the market wide open and try to bring in some more converts.

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#329879

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0506intelmac.html

- Probably another phoney link...pics of intel macs. I'll add more as I get them. You dont have to look very far at all on Google to find some very intering links...

here's another site devoted to new intel macs

http://osx86project.org/index.php?option=c...n&id=1&Itemid=2

#329882

are you guys serious? i can run windows easily on a intel powered mac? is it like virtualPC or can i load this puppy straight up by creating a seperate partition for windows?

People have already been able to run Windows XP natively on a developer version of the Mactel box so no, it's not emulation. It's no surprise since an Intel Mac is basically an x86 machine with Apple's customized styling, maybe a little proprietary engineering but nothing deviating drastically from the norm (yet :P). Likewise people have already gotten Mac OS X Tiger x86-build to run on their regular Intel/AMD boxes, but that's another matter best left to be discussed elsewhere.

#329894

lol as long as i can have both OS in my new intel powerbook, then im happy.

#329901

I was thinking of getting a mac mini around christmas, if Apple confirms this, I will definitly wait. I'd love having both OS's on one computer instead of getting a KVM switch like I thought.

#329909

I'm plan to purchase a new apple computer in December, but I have people tell me that I should wait for intel version and also I have people tell me just go ahead and purchase the updated PowerMac G5 and sense Apple is going to release a PowerMac Quad Ultimate that comes with Nvidia Geforce 7800 as a standard card and do I really want to wait almost 1 year for a Intel PowerMac? And plus I already have a Intel 3.6 GHz XPS and also a Mac Mini but you only can do so much to a mini and I need something more powerful than that. So my decision in what Mac to purchase is still up in the air. I've been working alot of overtime for the past 9 months, 6 days a week between 11 to 12 hours per day. So once I make a decision in what PowerMac to get I hope it will be the right one.

#329938

an Intel Mac is basically an x86 machine with Apple's customized styling, maybe a little proprietary engineering but nothing deviating drastically from the norm

Don't tell us that- we like to think macs are something magic...with little Apple fairies running around inside...or something :P

Or maybe theres a "Tiger" inside ("intel inside" doesn't sound as cool)...either way- theres something special about the "overall" of mac systems...and as soon as you start to analyse individual pieces of the hardware, you realise theres not much special to those bits...and as a result thats what the mac becomes.

#329975

Porting games has less to do with hardware and more with lack of DirectX in OSX (DirectX being a proprietery MS piece of code)

Intel CPUs in Macs doesn't mean they'll be cheaper. They could be but one doesn't lead to another.

There's no way in hell MS would be able to block Windows on Macs. Why? Cause Macs will use the same CPU and chipset that some high end PCs will use. If anyone prevents Windows running nativly on Intel Macs it will be Apple.

There is no PowerMac "Ultimate"

PowerMacs will be the last to switch by the end of 2007.

@ Levi - those are not "Intel Macs" so i suggest you get a clue before you claim something like that. Those are DEVELOPER BOXES that Apple LEASED to developers and end-user machines will NOT look like that, neither inside or out. I wonder if you people bother to read a bit before you start posting stuff.

Jebus! I've been following Apple for years and even though i know and read a ton about the company and its hardware, i could never be as confident as you guys.

There is no "x86 machine". There is a x86 CPU. Macs and PCs already have a lot in common but the most inportant thing is what differentiates them is the motherboard. Apple designs their own mobos and i would expect to continue doing so (with Intel's help of course).

#329981

There is no PowerMac "Ultimate"

In fact there is a Quad ultimate and it is coming out in med December and if you don't believe me UNBELIEVER check out this page at APPLEINSIDER.

This PowerMac Quad Ultimate comes with a Nvidia 7800 as a stardard card. And I want to add I will not post anything that is not true.

www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1346

#330160

I was thinking of getting a mac mini around christmas, if Apple confirms this, I will definitly wait. I'd love having both OS's on one computer instead of getting a KVM switch like I thought.

yup same here, im willing to wait and shell out big bucks for the new powerbooks. the possibility of running dual OS in my Apple is my motivation for waiting.

#330165

im gettin ticked... im plannin on iMac for christmas. but now with rumors of iMac and PowerBooks getting the upgrade in january, they're prolonging my decision to buy one.

#332370

@reincarnatdballa- Any mac will make you happy...you'll just regret it slightly if they release intel machines just after you make your purchase...

or then again you could wait until the intel machines arrive and then relise that you were better off with an old powerpc mac instead, becuase the new intel macs were really a flop...

who knows.

#332375

it is confirmed that only ibooks intel in january people. either get an imac now or wait for a year+++

something big will defeintely come in january [intel] because everyone know people go broke after christmas shopping and don't buy stuff so they'll come out with those multi color super tiny ipod shuffles for cheap arse$$ and give free for every ibook ;)

#332561

it is confirmed that only ibooks intel in january people. either get an imac now or wait for a year+++

something big will defeintely come in january [intel] because everyone know people go broke after christmas shopping and don't buy stuff so they'll come out with those multi color super tiny ipod shuffles for cheap arse$$ and give free for every ibook ;)

Confirmed? Where?

#332611

he's working for Apple, don't you guys know that? :confused:

#332641

he's working for Apple, don't you guys know that? :confused:

In that case, pardon my ignorance ;):P

#332672

its not comfirmed...its speculated on the rumor sites.......pyn was dropped on his head

#332687

Yeah, it's definately just a rumor, but Thinksecret said that they got this information from "highly reliable sources", the same sources who were responsible for Thinksecret's predictions for the Mac Mini and Photo iPod. Supposedly.

#332731