Paul Thurrott praising Microsoft again...

Most of you guys probably remember Paul Thurrott's review of Tiger... He had some stuff about it looking "pretty" but other then that he pretty much took a **** on OS X...

In Windows XP, everything begins, appropriately enough, with the Start button, which launches a new Start Menu. This menu contains just about everything you need to get to work, your most commonly accessed applications, your most recently used documents, and a list of commonly accessed system locations. In Mac OS X, there is no equivalent to this. You are forced to hunt and peck for things. Let's say you want to change the resolution of the screen. How might you accomplish this in OS X? Holding down the mouse button on the desktop does no good. Choosing View from the Finder menu offers no clue. Choosing Finder Preferences lets you change icon sizes, but not the screen resolution. And so on. How about System Preferences? In System Preferences, the Mac equivalent of the Windows Control Panel, we see a set of icons much like that used in versions of Windows circa two years ago. Let's se... hmm.... Is it Displays, General, or Screen Saver?

Anyways, enough of that... Today I was reading some stuff about longhorn on his website, and I couldnt help but think "What a ****ing idiot"... I mean he's just openly kissing Microsoft's ass...

Longhorn's ability to synchronize data between PCs and various portable devices will be unsurpassed. It will also be a wireless networking wunderkind. Or, as Microsoft puts it, Longhorn will let you "work together and accomplish more anytime, anywhere." There you go.

"unsurpassed"? wtf are you talking about dude, OS X had this for what.. 3+ years already? And by the time LH will come out they will probably have something even better...

Longhorn will offer more natural ways to access, organize and use information, and is designed to improve Information Worker (IW) productivity. The key to this, of course, is the new Fast Search feature, which many people incorrectly assumed was being removed from Longhorn when Microsoft delayed WinFS to a post-Longhorn release. That's not the case. Longhorn fast search will provide near-instant searching of your PC, the local network, and the Internet. And it's designed to be intuitive to existing Windows users

Strange... you didnt seem to notice this feature too much in Tiger...

So... What do you think? Ass Kisser... is he not?

#278003

[offtopic-ness]Amen brotha. Sometimes i just wish i could pull out a silenced revolver and pop one straight to his head[/offtopic-ness]

#278005

Ridiculous.

#278006

Yep, he's an ass-kisser. It's beginning to become more and more obvious how much more superior OS X is over Codename: "Longhorn"

#278012

I bet this guy would claim Microsoft came up with the idea of using a mouse.

#278013

no matter what kind of guy he is, try to have a discussion without using cuss words.

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Unbeliever

#278014

Nico - How the heck do you know? Have you seen longhorn? Have you used it? No?

You have to remember Longhorn is not even BETA yet... you simply can't compare it to OS X yet.

I think Paul Thurrott is one of the most extremist Microsoft fans (except for crazy rampaging ****s). He has some very very valid points about OS X, but seems to not dare speak about the bad things of Windows. Seriously, he is nowhere NEAR as extremist as some Apple fans/writers out there... all the Slashdot writers would be good examples: EVERY article about MS says something bad about them or has a "but" in it, whereas almost every article about Apple talks about it as if they were reinventing the wheel (they're not. they're just making it prettier).

So basically I partly agree with you, although if the Longhorn search system is really what they say it will be (all the features work and are implemented, etc) then I believe it'll blow Spotlight out of the water. Seriously though, I don't think any company is stealing from the other, but rather they are learning from each other. And besides, it only gives us better products in the end.

#278016

Every OS has its detractors. You can't honestly say there are no flaws in OS X Tiger, just as you can't say that Windows XP, or even Longhorn, is perfect. Generally, I just ignore him.

-NC

#278017

just as you can't say that Windows XP, or even Longhorn, is perfect.

lol... but obviously thats what he's saying...

@unbie - come on! that title is just lame... /edited again

#278024

You have to remember Longhorn is not even BETA yet...

EXACTLY, the idiots at redmond can't even make something worth while without 6 years of production on each little part. Plus, have you not realized that longhorn has lost a god 2/3 of its PROMISED features!? its just absurd.

#278029

we are not debating about longhorn

anyways that guy IS some microsoft crap dude but i'd agree most of us here are "apple teh so sexxi" dudes [and dudets].. but anyways he IS ****ed...wtf he says Tiger is just getting close to as good as XP WTF

#278030

@unbie - come on! that title is just lame... /edited again

DO NOT re-edit posts/titles. If you have a problem with what i did, PM me.

I'm sick of people trying to get attention by using controversial lines.

If you wanna show Thurott is an ass-kisser and an idiot, prove him wrong, don't be a basher and use the same technique as him.

#278034

']EXACTLY, the idiots at redmond can't even make something worth while without 6 years of production on each little part. Plus, have you not realized that longhorn has lost a god 2/3 of its PROMISED features!? its just absurd.

Ah, but making an OS for PCs is amazingly more complicated than for Macs. When Apple makes an OS, they only have to test it on a few dozen machines which THEY designed. PCs, however, have infinite possible combinations of hardware parts, and so testing and programming is far, far harder, which results in much longer waiting periods.

2/3 is waaay exagerated, I'd say more like 1/4.

Besides, MS tries to innovate with their products, and create a new generation of GUI. The downside is that they don't put much effort into the actual look of it (startsomethingPC.com might be the end of that though). However, Apple seems to do jsut the opposite. They make their GUI look gorgeous but don't innovate much except in the Video production world.

#278036

On Tuesday, I noted that "this has the makings of a train wreck." I wasn't referring specifically to build 5048, which is a developer build only, and doesn't show off the final UI. Instead, I was referring to the Longhorn project itself, which is careening so wildly out of control that it may never successfully come to a conclusion.

Straight from Paul Thurrott's WinHEC blog. Sure, he's a fanboy but he's not so blind to see that Microsoft has a huge mess brewing. If anyone has been paying attention to Longhorn's recent progress (or lack thereof) it's been pretty damn disappointing.

#278074

seems Apple has a 1-up coming at them every year. hardware and software-wise, Apple has been ferociously innovative the past few years.

Longhorn, er um, Microsoft has only come up with what perhaps sounds like a lot of bull.

#278086

microsoft owns what, 40% of apple? and yet, you guys seem to be convinced that they spartha and troy. so many things from macos make it to windows in a slightly altered form that it's obvious even to me that macos is a testing platform for the more widespread OS.

and this paul guy is either a microsoft zealot or paid to appear so. big deal. don't tell me there aren't guys like him on the fruity side.

#278184

Microsoft does not own any part of Apple. They owned stock a while back when Apple's value was plummeting, but sold it a few years later.

#278227

microsoft owns what, 40% of apple? and yet, you guys seem to be convinced that they spartha and troy. so many things from macos make it to windows in a slightly altered form that it's obvious even to me that macos is a testing platform for the more widespread OS.

and this paul guy is either a microsoft zealot or paid to appear so. big deal. don't tell me there aren't guys like him on the fruity side.

Apple even promotes M$ OfficeX as the office suite and Microsoft hosts a 'Mactopia' page.

Windows & OS X apperantly co-exist just fine. And proceed to do so as long as M$ doesn't switch to PowerPC and Mac doesn't stray towards x86/x64 pc.

#278232

yes, it seems like that, but MS has strayed onto PPC territory with Office, MSN, Internet Explorer and most of all, VIRTUAL PC (!!).

The MSN Messenger for Mac has less features than WebMessenger (its true).

So, while apple are happy with the coesxistance (maybe), MS are using them badly. All Intel processor users have to run OS X on is PearPC, even though Apple constantly say how easy it would be to port it (according to Paul Thurrot a few days ago, Apple are unhappy with IBM and are switching to Intel this year (!!??)).

Yes, we know he's a windows fanboy. His site is called "SuperSite for WINDOWS", and praises every microsoft product there is. These are the sort of people who think Microsoft invented the computer, and are great people making reliable software. Heh, glad I'm not one of em. I use a Windows PC, becuase it was fairly fast and cheap. Buying a Dual-G5 with decent amount of RAM from Apple would cost loads and shipping, plus the yearly $129 for an OS upgrade. just doesn't go too well. If Apple released OS X for x86 processors, people like me who can't really afford a spanking new G5 could easily switch to OS X without the performance and compatibility issues of PearPC.

Oh, and to change screen resolution in tiger, you go to system preferences (logical), and search for it (logical), and it even works with colloqial input (brilliant). That guy's going the idiot way round. Think of a mac user doing the same thing. Right-clicking the desktop would be the last thing in the world to think of, because its an easily-accessibile way to access a nearly never-modified option. The Windows Control Panel Category View is perhaps the greatest example of beaurocracy and lack of thought in computers that there is.

#278399

Alllllllrighty here, let's see. We've got a thread of people complaining how the man who runs the "Supersite for Windows" is reviewing Microsoft products in a good light, and comparing Windows to Apple's OS every so often, also showing Windows in a good light, though, as I read it, not completely bashing OSX either. Didn't he say he loved the OS? As well, as mentioned by a previous poster, he's just as worried about Longhorn being a 'train wreck' as the rest of us.

Does this thread seem just a little pointless to ANYONE else but me?

So, anyway, of course, Microsoft bashing and Windows bashing starts. 'Cause it's cool. You know. Oh, and the replacing of the letter S with a dollar sign. Effin brilliant, that one.

Also, the "Microsoft is stealing ideas from Apple!" compaint. So typing in a search and getting results really really fast is a good idea. You expect MS NOT to develop something that does this just because Apple released a product with it first? You figure the first guys to ever open a burger joint have the right to complain when someone else thought "Hey, I can sell hamburgers too!" and opened their own store? It's called competition people, everyone does it, get used to it.

Saladin, "MS has strayed onto PPC territory"?? Ever hear of Quicktime? iTunes? Don't act like Microsoft's the only one developing for multiple platforms. Why don't you say Linux has strayed onto PPC territory too?

*sighs* Geez, I'm getting sick of what this place is looking like lately. Grow up people, stop looking for reasons to jump down Microsoft's throat at every turn.

And obviously, for those of you with valid points who stayed away from unnecessary bashing, this post isn't directed at you.

#278443

Alllllllrighty here, let's see. We've got a thread of people complaining how the man who runs the "Supersite for Windows" is reviewing Microsoft products in a good light, and comparing Windows to Apple's OS every so often, also showing Windows in a good light, though, as I read it, not completely bashing OSX either. Didn't he say he loved the OS? As well, as mentioned by a previous poster, he's just as worried about Longhorn being a 'train wreck' as the rest of us.

Does this thread seem just a little pointless to ANYONE else but me?

So, anyway, of course, Microsoft bashing and Windows bashing starts. 'Cause it's cool. You know. Oh, and the replacing of the letter S with a dollar sign. Effin brilliant, that one.

Also, the "Microsoft is stealing ideas from Apple!" compaint. So typing in a search and getting results really really fast is a good idea. You expect MS NOT to develop something that does this just because Apple released a product with it first? You figure the first guys to ever open a burger joint have the right to complain when someone else thought "Hey, I can sell hamburgers too!" and opened their own store? It's called competition people, everyone does it, get used to it.

Saladin, "MS has strayed onto PPC territory"?? Ever hear of Quicktime? iTunes? Don't act like Microsoft's the only one developing for multiple platforms. Why don't you say Linux has strayed onto PPC territory too?

*sighs* Geez, I'm getting sick of what this place is looking like lately. Grow up people, stop looking for reasons to jump down Microsoft's throat at every turn.

And obviously, for those of you with valid points who stayed away from unnecessary bashing, this post isn't directed at you.

I agree with you totally. In fact, I am waiting for LH more than for OSX Tiger.

#278447

We've got a thread of people complaining how the man who runs the "Supersite for Windows" is reviewing Microsoft products in a good light, and comparing Windows to Apple's OS every so often, also showing Windows in a good light, though, as I read it, not completely bashing OSX either. Didn't he say he loved the OS?

Does this thread seem just a little pointless to ANYONE else but me?

I read Paul's site on regular base. And I like it for one of my loyal M$ sources. Yes it's M$ biased, but what would you expect of Supersite for Windows? Go to X vs XP and the author confesses the same OS X-wise. And this rightly so. IMO that's what's the Internet is all about in the first place: people's opinions, so don't start crying when people give you their opinion.

Don't act so surprised people on Aqua-soft advocate OS X.

So no, this thread is not pointless. If you don't like it, skip it, ignore it. There's plenty of other threads, right? But 10-to-1 there will be more OS X biasness. Want the weight towards M$, be my guest to visit Aero-soft.

So, anyway, of course, Microsoft bashing and Windows bashing starts. 'Cause it's cool. You know. Oh, and the replacing of the letter S with a dollar sign. Effin brilliant, that one.

If the bashing is cool, and might I add fun, wel that's just fine isn't it? Good. People should have fun in their spare time, shouldn't they? It's not that M$ is a bully-victim here who will go and sit in the corner crying. Take a look at AMSA and with sites like that in consideration what's bad could treads like this one possibly do?

p.s.: M$ could might as well be O$ X btw. That's what commercial compagnies are all about indeed: $$ & $. So off course one borrows good ideas from the other and vice-versa. They would be stupid not too if costumers seem fond of these innovations. That would be like the T&L neglect that lead to 3dfx's demise. As long a they would admid that they do this, I would have no objection at all. Apple should have said they copied M$'s min, max, close and altered to close, min, zoom in their OS X. Just as M$ should have admid they copied the desktop concept from Apple's os.

Saladin, "MS has strayed onto PPC territory"?? Ever hear of Quicktime? iTunes? Don't act like Microsoft's the only one developing for multiple platforms. Why don't you say Linux has strayed onto PPC territory too?

Your arguments are all valid. I think people shouldn't nag about cross-system software developement neither. Why would the choice of an architecture, be it PPC/RISC or x86/CISC, exclude me from the use of certain software? Ultimately I would want OS X on x86 and would have no objection whatsoever if people would want (but would be puzzled W H Y?) to run m$ Windows on RISC. Freedom of choice=good.

But alas, m$ has certain monopoly on x86 and Apple keeps a communistic approach on application & hardware for their Mac's. Fortunately, "Every disadvantage has it's advantage" my fellow Dutchman Johan Cruyff used to say. Because of M$'s monopoly on x86 we have compatability. And because of Apple's strict doctrines on the Mac we have stability. Cross-platform software developement should ultimately make them meet in the middle, utillising best of both worlds. Both M$ and Apple ($) would be wise to listen to what the consumers ask for in achieving maximum effect. The internet places the opinions of their consumers out in the open, I sincerely hope they would harvest those opinions in the developemt of their OS's, it's software and hardware. Maybe they should even take a quick look in respect to this on these very treads overhere at Aqua-soft, who knows what great ideas they could implement for their merchandise...

#278515

I have to admit, I am a Windows fan, but I still think windows is a piece of ****.

The only really great point Windows has is being very user friendly, like carrying you through life friendly, but it lacks in almost all other places. especally security, resources, and stabality.

I believe Longhorn will be a great OS, but I don't think it will ever get close to what OS X is capible of.

The only reason I read Paul's Website is to get the latest on Longhron, but since 5048 is in my possession, I need not worry for a while.

Yes Paul is an ass kisser, but he still is a gate to the low level insides of Microsoft.

#278609

i dont like how for tiger, apple put annoying popups into tiger like when ur d/l stuff from the internet. I know XP does it but it was nice on panther to just download what u wanted w/out having to click stuff. Granted its prob. for people who are not tech savvy but at least there should be an option to turn it off. I haven't used tiger alot but it seems like it has a lot of potential, it really does seem like it was rushed and they didn't totally test it out fully.

#280250

Like a Great Guy once said.......

Some People are Alive, just because killing is Crime...

there you go....

Psst.... I think guy's name was iGo... hmmm... now where I've heard that name before???

#280284