Aqua-Soft ForumsLook the pic! NOOOOOO!!! HOW! CALL THEM, WE WILL MAKE THEM A BETTER GUI. WHY????
APPLE KILLS ME WITH THE PRICES.
MS KILLS ME WITH THE LOOK!
Longhorn M5
hmmm... its better than xp,
..but definitely worse than my OS X! 
and any future realeases of OS X 
what???? 
is the open task right in the middle of the taskbar?? yuk.
the grouping can probably be changed though.
those icons are ugly... XP's icons are ugly.. ahh... they better change the icons to higher quality in a closer longhorn final
-bolero
Did you get the leaked version??? I have it too.
Is it me or is Longhorn a big waste of screen space?
2/3rds of the "dock" (or whatever is called) is empty. (Even with more items in it, it's still a waste of space)
The titlebar, menus, icons etc. take up 1/4th of the window area.
There is a huge white left margin.
The category titles take up more than half the height of icons.
Guess in 1024x768 once wouldn't avoid scrollbars
And I was thinking that OSX is space consuming with the big letters used all around, the big icons and the dock area (Apple suggests that apps don't occupy that part of the screen).
MS did it again!
I really do not understand it.
MS HAS MORE MONEY, MORE HUMAN RESOURCES, MORE TIME, AND......................THEY ALWAYS DO THE SAME f***.
YES f***! DO NOT CORRECT IT THIS ISNT A KINDERGARDEN.
IF I WERE BILL ID IMMEDIATELY FIRED THE ONE WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GRAPHICAL DESIGN!
IF APPLE WOULD LOWER THE PRICES APPROX 50-70% OF THE ORIG. I THINK THEY COULD BEAT MS.
BUT NO!!! WE ARE ELITIST, NO PRICE CHANGE, WE WILL DESTROY OUR FIRM......AND LET MS RULE THE WORLD.......
SO f*** APPLE TOO!!!!
whoever thinks that looks better than xp needs their head checked. (kiddin taha!)
I bet some ceo's litle kid ok's those graphics, and the ceo goes "this one".
(actually that may be close to the truth, remember the sample video of the little asian boy standard on all xp installs?)
EDIT:// HOLY SHhIT I JUST REALISED THE TRUTH!
What are Bill and his top (old buddy) CEO'S? THEY ARE FROM THE 80'S DOS YEARS, this is their little club don't you see? They (still) dont see it as a large multinational, because at heart they are still computer kids.
Nobody loved pc's more than Bill when he was a kid, NOBODY!, Thats why he's the richest man alive right now.
Now that HE controls everybody, we see what the inside of his thoughts are, THAT is HIS vision,
since HE knows next to nothing abou graphical design, it SHOWS even today.
A kid pestered all his life about being "nerdy" will not relinquish a desire easily, even today, I bet he has millions of designers that (fearfully) say "Bill trust us this could be better". But in HIS mind this is how he wants it and that's that.
Unfortunately even Microsoft is also devolving in the looks of the GUI.
When are these people going to get out of Kindergarden and make an adult interface for the rest of us. Given so many GUI in Visual Style skins they could have come out with something better than a Cheap Blue Luna and re-name it Longhorn. That sidebar seems a lot of waste and it is not even pretty to look at. That clock makes me barf already.
The blue is a refreshing color to look at, however the annoying windows flag remains; they really shoulf get rid of that revolting piece of sh##!!!!!!!
Bill (or whoever) wants a Middle of The Road look. He doesnt want to offend anyone. And we are a mere 1500 people. If you asked my parents, they don't mind the Classic Look. And they have used OS X for a while.
This look most likely wont stay, remember WaterColor (which is better than luna, but oh well).
And MS said they were doing Vectored Icons, lets just hope MS doesnt lie (chuckle).
Originally posted by maximus-gratus@May 5 2003, 12:53 AMI really do not understand it.
MS HAS MORE MONEY, MORE HUMAN RESOURCES, MORE TIME, AND......................THEY ALWAYS DO THE SAME f***.
YES f***! DO NOT CORRECT IT THIS ISNT A KINDERGARDEN.
IF I WERE BILL ID IMMEDIATELY FIRED THE ONE WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GRAPHICAL DESIGN!
IF APPLE WOULD LOWER THE PRICES APPROX 50-70% OF THE ORIG. I THINK THEY COULD BEAT MS.
BUT NO!!! WE ARE ELITIST, NO PRICE CHANGE, WE WILL DESTROY OUR FIRM......AND LET MS RULE THE WORLD.......
SO f*** APPLE TOO!!!!
After a whole entity got annihilated by your anger, i dont understand why are so mad?
first of all, if you care to read and learn whats happening with apple, you'll see that their only income is from their hardware. If they lowered it, they will lose money. Their problem is NOT the prices, but the poor awareness of the average person about Macintoshes.
Now, in case windows were going to make their new OS look amazingly better, they would have gotten A LOT MORE users in the line. Thank god, they keep making their os look like sh##, and MAINLY cause of that apple manages to squeeze through and get more switchers.
Must i remind all of you that this release is still in alpha phase. If any of you remember the first alpha and betas of xp, the interface looked very similar to win2000. I think that the new task bar is actually quite nice looking, especially if they continue to darken it(it has been getting darker throughout the builds), and the sidebar will be very functional when it is complete. You must remember that microsoft can only copy Apple so far in designing the interface, and the sidebar is as close as they can get to copying Apple as possible. And we must also remember that the sidebar will be more than just an application launcher like the OSX dock. So at least wait until longhorn gets to beta form before you begin to critisize it.
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I reallly dont think its fair to judge a OS, that its only in its first stages of Beta Testing. There will be DRAMATIC changes when it comes to the GUI interface among time. Longhorn is not due out until late 2004, if you remember with 95, in its beta stages it looked basically like Win 3.1 but with more greyer looking interface :\
Im just glad that the name Longhorn is only a Codename.. 
It's not even beta, it's alpha and everything in it (especially graphicswise) is just placeholder stuff. I say hold off the judgment until it hits RC stages.
One thing I have noticed in it so far that I like is it has a dial for making the icons in the folder larger or smaller, and beyond 72 even. You know you've wanted this for quite some time now, independent icon sizes on the destkop and folders. All they need to do is include better icons. Of course though it wouldn't matter for most of us because we'd probably use our own anyway.
If they do include it as a vector format we could have fun converting icons into this new format. I also like the features the avalon\3d interface brings to the table. Which supposedly makes a regular windows as transperizable as our windows docks\desktop X objects, (each object in the window is transperizable seperate from each other).
Only thing that concerns me is the DRM stuff. But of course everyone said (and some still say, mostly people that don't use it) that XP would have DRM that wouldn't let us play our MP3's and things like that but that never happened.
So I'm taking a wait and see attitude about this.
I have to agree though that a lot of people don't care what their OS looks like and the ones that do, theme it or use something that looks great out of the box (like OSX for example).
I think xp looks MUCH better than that with the exception of the taskbar maybe. Seriously.
IMHO, we shouldn't care actually about Windows default theme. We can always change that. Every of you expert in doing that.
What we really hope is MS would integrate advanced gui stuff in their OS so that windows can compete with OSX gui technology/quartz extreme.
like vectored icons, that should be an interesting stuff. own idea is good. and we hope MS can include more stuffs in rendering the GUI like antialiasing, anistrophic, shadowing or whatever decent video card can do today. I'm not an expert in that area.
after we have that kind of stuffs, then we can start doing better theme and possible to be better than those in OSX, we hope so. the problem we having now is the limitation of those gui stuffs. windows font sucks, no shadow, everything looks jagged etc. finally, MS should include skinning (maximum as possible), otherwise those stuffs are useless.
I don't think MS can ever create good theme.
Now that logon looks nice ...
Ok for that controll panel, You all know XP's controll panel and how to set that normal ... There is prolly alot to tweak or not ? anyhow how much space is that windows longhorn after install ? Perhaps i can try it. 
I saw on a link to a Japanese site that they're copying the genie effect (sort of).
I found the link on neowin last night.
It has some nice window animations using DX which instantly reminded me of the genie.
apple has many many...many major problems and issues. and there are many things they can do to correct them, but i'm sure all of them have negative consequences that i don't have time to think about right now. one major problem they are running into right now is their chipset. the g4 is getting to be archaic, no longer can they claim "we beet der windows at teh photoshopping guyz", and the industry is starting to wise up and switch over. in order to get many users back, apple needs to innovate both on the hardware level and the software level. and i'm not talking about having steve "i'm a raving homo in a turtleneck" jobs make the next "insanely pretty computer that runs like crap". they need to make a computer that can run games competitively well with pc's, that will get them some of the market, but more than anything, it will turn heads, gaming is a flagship enthusiast market anymore, even dell is trying to get a piece of the action now. for businesses, apple needs to offer a serious business computer, that has a good cost:performance ratio, business people in the public eye care about looks for their computer, but after that, its much better for a business to give its employees ibm (read: ugly) computers, than to spend a ton on an apple. software wise apple needs to pull their head out of the sand and either offer OSX for pc, or really stop playing elitist and make applications like keynote fully pc compatible and able to run on pc as well. this will start chipping away at msofts grip on many businesses. when we're talking about apple vs. msoft, we're really talking about a hardware manufacturer vs. a software manufacturer. apple is trying to do too much, and while they may not go out of business, i don't see them making leaps and bounds in market share right now.
personal note: i think apple should give up making pc hardware, and only make gadgets and software, their ipod is insanely popular and their os is revered for its looks by almost all. they could really do well and easily slip into such a market, especially if osX:pc was competitive with winxp...and it would really really shake things up at msoft, which seems to be what everyone wants.
..and yet its interesting to note that MS is starting to follow in Apple's footsteps.
MS's new tactic:Hardware from MS, software from MS...
hardware poorly imitating Macs, software poorly imitating Mac OS..
Isnt the major disadvantage that a macintosh computer is just expensive ? I mean ... if they lower the price more macs will be sold ?
or am i wrong? I think if apple will do that ... then it's bye bye microsoft
hardware poorly imitating Macs, software poorly imitating Mac OS..
I'd say that PC hardware is better in almost every way.
Faster Graphics
Better quality sound
Faster Processors
More Variety in every possible aspect
Cheaper in almost all cases
Faster, Cheaper memory
Faster motherboards
More connectivity on motherboards
I don't think they should give up on making computers, the whole point of Mac is that software works with the hardware perfectly. They ought to think about getting their stuff cheaper though, if that means moving to X86, they should do that.
EDIT: READ THIS FOR THE EVILS OF MICROSOFT: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/30634.html
man, I have seen those videos in Neowin site. It is interesting. all those animations.
That is kind of gui stuffs that I'm talking about. It is like in futuristic movies.
can't wait. our skinning community are going to be busy that time I think.