symantec is full of crap. theyre just trying to sell the software...
ever been to the apple store and see the section with the internet security tools and virus scans and stuff.... its all in one small section hiding from everything else... i call it the bs rip off section!
Virus, and Antivirus business is the Italian Mafia. Recall those times when security was sold, if you could not pay it, either your house or your buisiness could suffer some damage. You must buy security from the mafia in these days.
Simple question, having tons of things to do over the internet... can we believe that some people will be passing their days writing complex codes to spread viruses and damage somebody´s pc that is unknown for them?
No way, these experienced programmers do it professionally. Is this a proof by contradiction? you cannot do mathematical induction though...
yea. i feel that there are even employes in antivirus companies that are hackers. if there are no viruses that exist anymore, will the virus companies be happy? they will be out of buisness.
also, apple releases security updates just as well as microsoft. go to macrumors.com and find that they just did yesterday and the previous was released on feb 22. just as fequent as microsoft.
I don't think it's necessary to install any antivirus programs on the Mac.. I have none. And all my ports are open. I still enjoy the vira-free life. My Mac is not sluggish or anything and I just use common sense when surfing the web. But with time, if Apple gets more popular, then people will write vira for the Mac, no doubt about it. It's only a matter of time really.
the thing that worries me is, if apple finally gained majoraty of the computer market, then it would be more likely to be targeted by hackers, therefore making apple computers more vulnerable to attack.
let me preface by saying that i'm a pc guy. (i use a mac at work part-time and i do have an original imac) but...
even if mac gains the lion's share of the market and jagoffs started really trying to attack the platform, i think the mac would fair much better than the pc did. why? because macos is built on the *nix platform. so? so: *nix has been around much longer than windows and was specifcally written with multiple-user accounts in mind from the ground up, so security was more of a starting point than an 'add-on'.
that's my understanding. i accept all corrections and criticisms. (right, there'll be any!!)
I don't think it's necessary to install any antivirus programs on the Mac.. I have none. And all my ports are open...
All of your ports are open huh?
So you have enabled FTP, SMB, HTTP Server. AppleShare, and all the others huh?
Give me your IP and I'll prove just how unsafe you are.
Open ports have jack to do with virus protection. Those are more for trojans and people like me who snoop for people like you who leave their systems wide open. In a nutshell... the only thing protecting your a$$ right now is your password, and I have "tools" that will make short work of that.
While I may agree with you on the actual need for anti-virus software on a Mac at this time, having all your ports open is just stupid.
I use Symantics for my virus scanning software on my Mac, but only because it came with my Mac (institutional computer). I might consider paying for a .mac account for the spiffy email and iDisk goodies (and the homepage), but not for Virex (nice perk though 
).
I haven't had any problems yet; my teacher hasn't had problems with it (for 2 years before I got the laptop). I scan every once in a while, but I'm more concerned about keeping my software up to date (it was 10.3.2 when I got the laptop... first thing I did was update it to 10.3.8).
All of your ports are open huh?So you have enabled FTP, SMB, HTTP Server. AppleShare, and all the others huh?
Give me your IP and I'll prove just how unsafe you are.
Open ports have jack to do with virus protection. Those are more for trojans and people like me who snoop for people like you who leave their systems wide open. In a nutshell... the only thing protecting your a$$ right now is your password, and I have "tools" that will make short work of that.
While I may agree with you on the actual need for anti-virus software on a Mac at this time, having all your ports open is just stupid.
i think he`s just talking out of his ass.
OSX comes with all ports closed and i really doubt that anybody who would know how to open them would be bragging about it.
Yep, he either is talking out his ass or he's really 'tarded. I know most of them are closed by default, so I found it surprising when he made that comment.
I don't care what OS you're running, by simply leaving the "right" ports open, I'll own that system within 24 hours tops. Most of the time it's less than 20 minutes.
Yep, he either is talking out his ass or he's really 'tarded. I know most of them are closed by default, so I found it surprising when he made that comment.I don't care what OS you're running, by simply leaving the "right" ports open, I'll own that system within 24 hours tops. Most of the time it's less than 20 minutes.
but he's already seen your identity card :slant:
but he's already seen your identity card :slant:
So what's your point?
Before I would run an attack on A-S members system, I would get there permission first.
I would only do it for demostration purposes as I could go to jail for doing it without their knowledge.
This is what I do for a living right now.
I analyize customer networks/servers and look for weaknesses and then show them how to fix them.
You would be very surprised at how many large companies lack basic common sense when it comes to securing their systems.
I'm working with this one company, which will remain nameless for legal reasons, that actualy has an exception process in place for systems that cannot be secured properly.
I tell them, "hackers don't care that you have an exception on file for not meeting min. security standards... in fact... their counting on it." And these systems contain very sensative info that could put them out of business if it were stolen.
And no... they are not Windows servers. These are high-end AIX and Solaris systems.
Hell one of the systems I can't even run a simple port scan against without crashing the server.
The whole point is, OS X, Windows, Linux, Solaris, AIX, etc..., they are all vulnerable to an attack.
Maybe not viral, but there are so many different ways to go after a system.
And anyone dumb enough to believe that their prized OS is secure needs to wake-up.
We have succesfuly broken into many OS X servers using common Linux vulnerabilities.
Remember... OS X and Linux distros use the SAME libraries/apps.
So a weakness in one affects all. Apache is the one that comes to mind most of the time.
That thing is so easy to cause grief to.
Anyway... I've rambled enough.
come on rjohnstone, take a load off and have a brewski.. I was just ribbin' ya 
though your post was still interesting 
he does have a good point though. even if you have antivirus protection on macs, or linux, or even msdos, you can still get hit by spam, hacking, information theft, hijacking, slow computers, adware, spyware, and other stuff you don't want at all.
come on rjohnstone, take a load off and have a brewski.. I was just ribbin' yathough your post was still interesting
I know... it's been a long week already and it's only Wednesday.
I just finished one corporate audit last week and I have another starting next month.
They take about 3-5 weeks to complete and drain the life right out of you.
I know... it's been a long week already and it's only Wednesday.I just finished one corporate audit last week and I have another starting next month.
They take about 3-5 weeks to complete and drain the life right out of you.
yeah, work 'll take it out of ya. At least your aren't a financial auditor though... those auditors are getting audited themselves now in alot of corps. (at least in Ottawa). Audited auditors, heh.
And if you ever security audit a bank, you can forward millions of pennies to yourself ....or, uh maybe not.
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