All these AveTunes...Wheres the AveAmp?

Hey all, I'm just curious as to why there isn't a Winamp equivalent of AveTunes?

With Samurize it's possible to have a remote/cover art for Winamp, so I know it can be done, is there anything planned for AveDesk?

#218733

umm

because Ave doesn`t have time/interest to write it and most of people are lazy, leeching mofos?

AveDesk SDK is aviable so if you want to write it, feel free.

/i`m getting sick of these kinds of posts/threads every week!

#218742

You don't need it anyway.. WinAmp is SKINNABLE!

Just skin it to whatever your want.

#218746

umm

because Ave doesn`t have time/interest to write it and most of people are lazy, leeching mofos?

AveDesk SDK is aviable so if you want to write it, feel free.

/i`m getting sick of these kinds of posts/threads every week!

Wow, I wonder why this community is so small... :slant:

#219247

prodigim.... dont make assumptions. If you had used the search feature you would have realized that your question has been answered many many many many many many times already. That is why it gets old and why some people responded to you the way that they did. We are tired of hearing people ask for it.

But your previoius post is considered "flamebait" and is thus against our forum rules. Please think twice before posting nextime.

#219250

20,000 is small?

the fact of the matter is that this question has been asked almost on a weekly basis, i see that your new to the site, so let me point out that we have a great search feature here. so next time u can look up to see if some one has addressed what your asking. and continue there.

#219251

just trying to put a skinner's perspective on things: Winamp is DAMN hard to skin. The XML isn't the problem - the problem is the restrictions on the sorts of things you can do. Things that only half-work, and what not. Not that an Avetunes controller would fix everything - it only skins some elements.

But that way we could use a winamp skin that works nicely and a sexy alpha blended desklet to control it without needing to deal with the vagaries of winamp skinning. and there are many vagaries. On another note if anyone wants to finish my dashboard winamp skin for me that would be cool

But it would be terrific to be able to use avetunes skins with a prospective winamp controller, which makes writing a completely different controller seem a waste.

#222213

On another note if anyone wants to finish my dashboard winamp skin for me that would be cool

...because there's no way you are going to finish it yourself? :slant:

#222396

wow... so much hostility in such a happy place.. bummer.. OOPS! almost forgot why I was posting. I like avetunes, but I'm uncertain as to what most of this meant cause I have never used winamp. So my question is why would you need a version for winamp? Is it just to keep everything in one player or what?... Sorry if this sounds like a silly question, but since I haven't used winamp I don't see the need and I'm curious as to why.

#222420

#1 WinAmp is much lighter on the resources.

#2 I use Winamp and don't want to install another player

just to play avetunes.

#3 that's basically it ;-)

#222468

lighter on resources, dosen't require services, dosen't have amusic store to tempt me to spend... the usual.

and I will finish the skin eventaully, probably in december.

#222508

it will prob be a while till something comes out...

only solution would be to skin winamp

or use a different app to control winamp(samurize/desktopx widget/sysmetrix)

i have seen skins for sysmetrix that would make it look like you have an i-Tunes remote

one advantage with sysmetrix over samurize is you don't need any extra dll/plugins or files to control winamp..

and samurize and sysmetrix both control and display more then a desktopx widget

heres the skins..

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/8940935/

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/9680025/

sysmetrix can be obtained here

http://www.xymantix.com/sysmetrix/

this is just one temp solution... untill a aveamp is made

note: make sure you get sysmetrix 3.24 or later so you have control over the windows in winamp.

and about skinning winamp... compared to skinning winamp im pretty sure its easier to make a simple skin/widget/config with desktopx samurize and sysmetrix

#227670

I'm not asking or anything, since i've now been converted to iTunes for a few reasons.

But the main reason i'd ever want an AveAMP is because I could 'show desktop' and still have the controller showing, unlike winamp.

#230706

I think nobody will ever do it, because of their lazyness. If I only could I would, but...

I dont understand a lot of people here, that are using itunes. It really sucks at sound quality and has nothing to compare with winamp and foobar. It works good.. BUT ONLY if you have cheap soundsystem and cheap speakers (=don't have them at all )...

#230707

i agree with you 3lvis. 100%.

#230717

I think nobody will ever do it, because of their lazyness. If I only could I would, but...

I dont understand a lot of people here, that are using itunes. It really sucks at sound quality and has nothing to compare with winamp and foobar. It works good.. BUT ONLY if you have cheap soundsystem and cheap speakers (=don't have them at all )...

ummm

i know AltecLansing aren`t excatly top-of-the-line speakers but i wouldn`t call them "cheap speakers" and iTunes sounds pretty good on 'em. Also whoever is listening to mp3 files isn`t excatly an audiophille so i don`t get ur point. iTunes sounds excatly like WinAmp, foobar and QCD on my machine/speakers and i wouldn`t call one better than the other since it mostly depends of mp3's bitrate. Also if people are lazy and u need WA controller so bad why don`t u make it or pay someone to do it for ya?

my point is don`t bash anything just cause u think ur the smartest person in the world :slant:

#230723

@Prodigium: Welcome to Aqua-Soft. Please note that n3wbies have no rights here.

#230726

FOOBAR2000

I'm in contact with a guy I met over at Konfabs - he is seemingly knee deep into Foobar2000 programming (which I am not) and with a little help of him, (if he can be persuaded) and some lengthy work of mine, literally ALL iTunes controllers like kapsules, konfabulator, aveTunes, SysStats etc. can be fooled into thinking that FooBar was iTunes. The main problem is finding a common language because them FooBarians seem to live in a world of their own.

WINAMP

I also have problems with the WinAmp control programming in the lines of: "Blindly do a SendMessage()? Thats all? You must be kidding!" ~ I hope to sooner or later meet someone at their boards with some insight to the shortcomings of a desktop widgeteer...

RESOLVE

So you see, the issue has been on the stack for almost a year but I shan't give up yet and so should you.

FUTURE

From a programmers perspective, the iTunes COM API was the best thing ever to happen - all teeny weeny to big wig amp coders have permanently reinvented the wheel and came to painstakingly different and non-interchangeable solutions ~ damn Apple to coin a standard again. Blame it on NullSoft/AOL. They should have been coining a standard.

hth,

herd

#230741

I'm no programmer by any means - I've tried numerous times. But you need a certain kind of brain - and mine is not that type.

One thing that I do wonder is how Samurize manages use winamp/foobar controls.... I've used the go-between little program that you can send commands to winamp - could this not be adapted?

/i'm getting pretty sick of ****s being flattened the minute they enter Aqua-soft - isn't it about time we found a solution?

#230743

Samurize uses pre-made exe files for play controls (ff, rew, play/pause and stop) and AMPI to get track info. But each player must have its command exes budndled withthe Samurize config.

#230744

thanks for the info herd, hopefully it works out! (especially with foobar)...I'm definately looking forward to additional work on this as its the one big thing thats missing from my desktop. I'd pay cash for something like this (and yes that does mean I"ll be making a donation soon )

#230750

I am new in this community and so far it has been very dissapointing to find post that make no sense. Sucha as this "person" named unbeliever. It is amazing that he is allowed to respond in such a mean attitude. There are better ways to express mr. unbeliever, the way you write reflects a lot of your personality. Go to the docotr get yourself a therapy, you are not going anywhere with that patience.

And yes, why not an AveAmp? it will be very very useful, since Winamp plays more formats and is lighter than iTunes.

#230804

Just let it go... People are bored with their own ineptness and have nothing better to do than bash ****ies to raise their own egos. They'll continue bashing people until the site closes down, or they get bored and leave, or get anally assaulted by a horny hippo...

I'd also like to see a AveAmp widget made. Not everyone uses iTunes, and I can't say that I'm tempted to install yet another audio program simply to be able to use AveTunes. Why should Winamp users have to pay someone to make an AveAmp if no one got paid to create AveTunes?

How would it not benefit the future of AveDesk to make a widget for one of the most popular freeware media players out there? At the least, we'll be able to keep ahead of Konfabulator. And Arlo Rose will be innovating with his future widgets - selling a payware package in a freeware world, he'll be busy creating incentives for people to move over to his software.

I hope someone out there wants to do something more productive than traumatize ****ies...

#230811

I am new in this community and so far it has been very dissapointing to find post that make no sense. Sucha as this "person" named unbeliever. It is amazing that he is allowed to respond in such a mean attitude. There are better ways to express mr. unbeliever, the way you write reflects a lot of your personality. Go to the docotr get yourself a therapy, you are not going anywhere with that patience.

And yes, why not an AveAmp? it will be very very useful, since Winamp plays more formats and is lighter than iTunes.

Unbeliever has special allowance to be rude: he shields us devs from routine tasks like answering the same questions from n3wbies over and over again, since a n3wbie answering machine yet has to be coded. Otherwise we would debate instead of getting things done. He's a real person, a good friend and really helpful in cleansweeping threads that sound like 3 year old "Wiggit! Me Wanna Wiggit Now!" and providing the odd Biscuit, eh, Widget. (He could have been worse - He could have been like Duckie offering nothing but a blindfold and a last cigarette before you can imagine what.)

Why should a n3wb have his personal questions answered when they have been answered hundreds of times or even pinned? Go on Unbeliever!

N3wbs: Go learn the search feature or get yourself tarred and feathered by Unbeliever.

#230870

I am new in this community and so far it has been very dissapointing to find post that make no sense. Sucha as this "person" named unbeliever. It is amazing that he is allowed to respond in such a mean attitude. There are better ways to express mr. unbeliever, the way you write reflects a lot of your personality. Go to the docotr get yourself a therapy, you are not going anywhere with that patience.

And yes, why not an AveAmp? it will be very very useful, since Winamp plays more formats and is lighter than iTunes.

Why not AveAmp you ask? Because majority (NOT ALL) of people are just whining and not doing one thing to help devs and/or contribute to this community. Take me for example. I can`t code but i started doing graphics just so i could contribute to this community of great people (many of which i`m proud to call my friends). I help devs as much as i can (with testing and ideas) and i HATE when someone posts a request thread and then starts whining when (allready exausted devs) give a reply which is different from a immediate release. And even though i can`t help them with code, i make skins, tutorials and try to lift some weight off their shoulders by responding to [help] and [request] threads and cheering them up when i meet them online. And even if i didn`t know any of them personally, i would keep my mouth shut if i didn`t have to say something that would help them, give an idea/suggestion or report a bug. There is a difference between a productive discussion and a pathetic whining.

I know Ave and herd very well (and i`m proud to call them my friends) and i know they both have lives and yet they find time to bring you all these free apps and widgets. I don`t know judge personally, but i`m sure he, as well as other devs, gave up his free time in order to give us leechers what we whine for. So if you want AveAmp, learn to do it yourself or pay someone to do it. And even though herd explained what is going on with AveAmp (or should we call it herdAmp ) i guess u didn`t bother to read it (nor the rest of the thread).

And about that "doctor comment", i have a certificate by Dr. Sid that explains my condition as "A person who is sick of seeing developers bugged and treated like ****, repetative threads, posts or in any other way, useless junk that floods AS and doesn`t in any way contribute to the well being of this community". Don`t take this personally but i`m sick of seeing my friends coming home, tired, trying to do something for you guys and then seeing u b1tch if it`s not 100% the way YOU wanted it.

PS: i`ve also seen this kind of arrogance with skinners (people bugging the hell of Brian (Bzeitler) to mod his skins to suit OTHER PEOPLE'S needs). You need to chill, grab your ((il)legal) copy of PS/whatever app that would be productive for you, and start doing whatever you can to contribute. Practice makes perfect!

PPS: If Ave/herd/bz/judge/other people did what i do, make only skins/widgets/whatever, ONLY when I need them, you people would probably be screwed for all of your Candy.

Just let it go... People are bored with their own ineptness and have nothing better to do than bash ****ies to raise their own egos. They'll continue bashing people until the site closes down, or they get bored and leave, or get anally assaulted by a horny hippo...

I'd also like to see a AveAmp widget made. Not everyone uses iTunes, and I can't say that I'm tempted to install yet another audio program simply to be able to use AveTunes. Why should Winamp users have to pay someone to make an AveAmp if no one got paid to create AveTunes?

How would it not benefit the future of AveDesk to make a widget for one of the most popular freeware media players out there? At the least, we'll be able to keep ahead of Konfabulator. And Arlo Rose will be innovating with his future widgets - selling a payware package in a freeware world, he'll be busy creating incentives for people to move over to his software.

I hope someone out there wants to do something more productive than traumatize ****ies...

this is one of the stupidest post i`ve ever seen.

You ask why u should pay for AveAmp? You SHOULDN'T. Just grab a compiler and write one youself or wait till devs do it when they want. And what do you know about the future of AveDesk? How do you know Ave wants to compete with K? You said it best, Arlo is PAID to improve K, our devs are NOT. Instead of b1tching and whining, maybe you should stop and thank these great people for what they`ve done and for time they spent, just to see themselves being bashed by some brat who`s bored and wants an "WinAmp Wiggit"!

And if you don`t like it here, don`t let the doors hit your ass on the way out.

Scroll up. You didn't read or understand my post, did you? The whereabouts of an AveTunes for WinAmp have been summarized there.

Unbeliever has special allowance to be rude: he shields us devs from routine tasks like answering the same questions from n3wbies over and over again, since a n3wbie answering machine yet has to be coded. Otherwise we would debate instead of getting things done. He's a real person, a good friend and really helpful in cleansweeping threads that sound like 3 year old "Wiggit! Me Wanna Wiggit Now!" and providing the odd Biscuit, eh, Widget. (He could have been worse - He could have been like Duckie offering nothing but a blindfold and a last cigarette before you can imagine what.)

Why should a n3wb have his personal questions answered when they have been answered hundreds of times or even pinned? Go on Unbeliever!

N3wbs: Go learn the search feature or get yourself tarred and feathered by Unbeliever.

*I am not aiming this rant at all of AS's members. Those who know me, know what i want to say with this post.

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