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I recently followed a link from this board to the SpyMac forums, once again someone noticed the Aqua Emulation going on and decided to ***** about it... but anyhow, I decided, "what the heck" and browsed around the board, and I was just shocked..

I mean, I've heard of talk around here about "Apple Elitists" before, but thought "Geez, I suppose there're a few people out there with closed minds towards computers too", but when I went to this board and started reading around, I was just stunned at how many people there were like that.

There was a thread about "What should you say in response to people who say Macs Suck?" -- What I thought was supposed to be a thread on how to counter 'PC Eliteism' (a noble cause) but all they suggested to stop it was use equally strong 'Mac Eliteism' .. which I feel is like trying to use a sledgehammer to fix a dent in a car.

Now, I'm not trying to only single out Mac users for this affliction, I know for a fact that there are PC users that suffer from the Elitist curse as well... I just didn't realize how bad it was on both sides until I visited that forum.

I tell you, the AquaSoft community is one helluva group... elite to neither the PC nor the Mac, but trying to find a happy medium between the two. If only real OS developers looked at OSes like you all do, then we wouldn't have/need the bitterness and the superiority complexes that some users of PCs or MACs display.

What're your thoughts on the strong PC VS MAC tendancies of some people?

(ps. Myself, I have a PC running WinXP, and have never used a Mac outside of the displays in the computer store, only because the opportunity has never yet presented itself to me..)

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I actually frequent Spymac a lot, and am tired of the elitist attitude. I often comment on it, and slowly more and more people are realizing that pc-bashing is gettting real boring..

One thing you have to realize, its not just mac people who have an attitude. PC users have it too. I know, because whenever I take my iBook to school, I get cheap remarks like 'macs suck!' or 'you can't do anything on a mac!'.

I'm pretty sure none of us here at aqua-soft do this, but the pc-people that mac users meet are like that, so you can't really blame'em for being the way they are..

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My friends are like that! I told them I bought a mac ,and every one said the exact same thing (Mac suck, I HatE Mac, Why do you buy that crap?) and when I asked if one of them had ever tried a mac they all said no!!!

but the difrence between mac users (elitists) and pc users(elitists) is that pc (xp) users doent ceare if mac users copy the luna look!!!

but mac users gets all crazy about it (not all)!!!

we need pc´s, becouse of all the programs that only work with windows!!

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Taha:

One thing you have to realize, its not just mac people who have an attitude. PC users have it too.

then Me:

Now, I'm not trying to only single out Mac users for this affliction, I know for a fact that there are PC users that suffer from the Elitist curse as well...

Heh, I did mention that, I was trying to get across that both the worlds (PC and MAC) have elitist advocates, I suppose it may have seemed I was pointing about the Mac people moreso, but I guess that's because I had just visited the SpyMac forum.

PCs are computers, MACs are computers, aren't we all just a big bunch of computer users?

I have a dream, a dream where one is not prejudiced by the logo on their computer, NO! A dream where all computer users can join together in beautiful harmony, and realize that we are not all so different! My fan cools my machine just as yours, do not electrons flow through the conductive metals of my motherboard just as they do inside yours? We are not so different, you and I!

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What I don't like is when people generalize. For example:

"You PeeCee users don't have any original bones in your body" I almost don't even know where to begin with this one. Sometimes it's just because we have the same tastes, other times it's GMTA. There are people making ports of windows themes to the mac. Yet you don't see anybody crying about the originality of those peoples bones.

Actually, there are so many non mac users (I mean the only type of computer called a mac is a mac right?) that have "original bones". Saying otherwise is like saying all of a certain people look alike. But to be technical no ones bones are original because if you look at one persons skeleton and then compare it to anothers they look pretty much the same.

"Oh man Y app is a rip of X app": Most applications on the PC being used where not made specifically to do the look and feel of other systems. They just are configurable enough so that you can. Take DesktopX for example, which has been around just as long if not longer than MacOSX it'self in one form or the other let alone Konfabulator (Veronica Desktop Enhancer ring any bells?). Other programs have been around way before MacOSX was a gleam in Apple's eye (windowblinds, litestep, etc.).

Another thing that people like them assume is when they see a port that someone just slapped some images into a folder and called it a theme and released it saying "look at this theme that I created from scratch bow down to me". When most who do make ports get permission and give credit where credit is due.

Another thing, is if you use a certain system then some people seem to think that using that computer and making things for it, or with it you work for the company that made the OS you are running, or the hardware it's run on. You are not the hardware you run, or the OS that you run on it.

One person assumed that the ones who port are the ones who bash. Yet, the ones who port are people who actually *gasp* like what they are porting.

Also I think it's funny how someone would think that the current versions of konfabulator widget ports took months to make when konfabulor hasn't even been out that long. It's like... what, they where preemptively ported? heh

Actually, I'm not jealous of anyone. I just happen to think some mac or other system themes look nice and would like versions of them for what I use and if I roll up my sleeves and get to work.

Also another thing that is assumed is that all PC's run like crap and there isn't anything that can be done about it. Most people who assume that don't even use them. Or they saw someones badly maintained and thrown together pile. Actually there are so many different configurations of the PC out there that it is true that some are irrepairably crappy. But if you get decent hardware (not some cheap dollar store ram or something), and put an OS like, XP on there it shouldn't run like crap unless you screwed something up. All you need to do after that is customize it the way you want. Most people who customize their computers don't even use Mac stuff.

The thing I really like about a PC with XP in particular is that it's so configurable that you can emulate almost any interface with the right software (which most of it can only do so because it it'self is configurable). I mean, how many people can say they can replace their menubar on a Mac with a taskbar and move the menubar to the tops of the windows.

Someone who gets depressed over someone else being able to do things like that on another system needs first of all to get help. Stop worrying about what others do. And start producing stuff of their own instead of trolling message boards putting down others. I mean most people who bash don't even make things themselves.

It's almost like with the gangsters... "You sucka are wearing black and purple, those are west side colors, how dare you disrespect westside like that *shoots*". Or, someone is shopping and they see something they like so they get it and then some people at work or school say: "Hey, you can't wear that you are not cool enough you aren't a member of our cool club".

Another that I find interesting is that bashers can't seem to properly say the names of PC things, examples most of which sound like things kids in grade school would make up:

PeeCee, Wintendo, Winblows, Winsux, eXtra Poopy, eXtra Problems, Microshaft, Microsucks, there are probably a lot more but those are off the top of my head.

You know the saying once bitten twice shy? I think that some people have that. A small handfull of people bash them so they generalise and bash the living heck out of anyone else who they group with them (because of what they use). For example, a Mac using PC basher might say they told their friends that they got a mac and the friends told them they think it's crap so they spend the rest of their time bashing all PC users because of what their friends said (same can be said about some PC users except I kinda feel there are less).

In closing I myself don't care if Mac users port some PC themes to the mac as a matter of fact. I have a few Mac using friends and I'd help them if they needed and asked for help instead of telling them if you want a PC theme just get a PC you Luser. And actually I have helped, like with Max Rudberg I have sent him some material to help with his Luna for OSX theme.

I think it's better to get along and have the sharing spirit than to bicker and make enemies all the time.

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P.S. Sorry for the length, just wanted to get some things off my chest.

#16844

I cannot say enough how much i agree with all that you have said smoke. I work with both pc's and mac's as you know and i have had people say ewww thats crap wtf you want to use that for. loser. Yes i have had those useless comments directed my way.

All i can say is dude get a life and take the cork out of your **** heh

Themeing is becomeing a culture of its own a unique community in and of itself. However this community will eventually implode and die if the baddies are not removed and dealt with properly.

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Makki

#16850

I agree with what everyone is saying. Except about Pc users being elitist. The reason Mac users are generally thought of as Elitists is because most of them are, its true. There are PC users like that too, but very few. How many people do you know that brag about Windows XPs look and feel. Even though Mac users only make up like 5% of the computer market, they make up most of the elitists, nobody at aqua-soft though.

#16852

I say , I don't care and I don't care about your opinion (in relation to whomever wants to say My Mac is better or My PC is better) so long as you are not paying for My Computer. I will buy and use what fits my purpose better and what I feel comfortable with. It's like buying a car, who the f*cq is anyone to tell me what color my car should be or who the f*cq is to tell me that I should not put a spoiler because it looks too much like another car.

I'm entitled to do with it the f*cq'ing thing I f*cq'in please with it within My Castle which violates no-ones f*cq'in copyright issues and is no-ones f*cq'in business. If you make it your business it's your f*cq'in problem and grow-up. So much for explantives. Can't we just get along together?

PS. I think Macs are great computers and Mac users don't know how good PCs are 'cause they think they own the Mac company just because they bought a Mac. Ha,ha,ha delusional people.

This post does not reflect an answer to anybody, just stating a feeling that people get into a verbal fight on which is better Mac or PC-Windows or they try to say you have no rights to change the look of your computer.

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Just so you know, that was the same guy that was over here a few weeks ago trolling when it was annouced that this board got a letter from Apple.

Insurgent is XXgodfleshXX also known as Azazel. Probably has other nics as well.

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