Mac Os X On Pc

http://sourceforge.net/projects/achelous/

Achelous is attempt to clone Mac OS X for the Intel X86 Chipset. There are currently two teams working on the project: the Kernel team and the GUI team. The Kernel team is working on a clone of the Darwin Kernel. While the GUI team is writing the user in

* Development Status: 1 - Planning, 2 - Pre-Alpha

* Environment: Other Environment

* Intended Audience: Developers, End Users/Desktop, System Administrators

* License: GNU General Public License (GPL)

* Natural Language: English

* Operating System: MacOS 9, OS Independent, FreeBSD

* Programming Language: C, C++, Pascal

* Topic: Desktop Environment, Installation/Setup, Operating System Kernels

Project UNIX name: achelous

Registered: 2001-01-19 04:51

Activity Percentile (last week): 0%

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#15469

Nice to hear.... finally something going on with OSX on intel.

Great news

#15473

hmm.. I went to the website and it seems like a dead project They havent released anything, and are not updating the info.

But still, I cross my fingers and hope they do good!

#15474

0% isnt healthy....

#15479

Originally posted by bill@Feb 14 2003, 08:28 PM

0% isnt healthy....

exactly my point ..

#15480

Do you really think Apple is going to allow this? This has to be breaking the DMCA, which is a shame.

#15481

Actually I am waiting for Apple to make a move to x86 platform (possibly Hammer from AMD). Then we might run OSX/WinXP dual systems in the PowerBook without losing any performance at the same time!!! That's actually what I'm waiting for...

#15482

Originally posted by livecn@Feb 15 2003, 12:35 AM

Actually I am waiting for Apple to make a move to x86 platform (possibly Hammer from AMD). Then we might run OSX/WinXP dual systems in the PowerBook without losing any performance at the same time!!! That's actually what I'm waiting for...

That wont be for awhile...

#15483

LOL i was excited and almost even creamed until i went to the site lol

I am waiting for my money to grow and i can buy an imac heh

#15484

Originally posted by ICEMEDIA@Feb 14 2003, 08:38 PM

LOL i was excited and almost even creamed until i went to the site lol

I am waiting for my money to grow and i can buy an imac heh

hey man, nothing wrong with dreaming..

or creaming

#15485

I think it's a dead project (probably killed by the great apple in the sky) . The last post was in March of 2001.

#15492

its 2 years old, come one, Its dead. If no news or files released, then I think its dead.

#15493

Let's turn down the silliness factor a notch here...

First of all, (regardless of the state the mentioned project is in) i'm not sure why Apple would kill a project like that... there is no reason... Darwin is OpenSource and as long as any project spawned from it remains that way, there are no legal grounds for any legal actions...

If they build a GUI of their own on top of it, no prob either...

Second of all, much prior to rather vague talk about Apple's (hardware) switch to x86 architecture there was CONFIRMED talk about Marklar... Apple's OSX port project that's going quite well and is still active...

According to various sources in Apple, whose statements could be heard all over the web, Marklar is kept under wraps until further notice and development of profitable environment...

Fitting descriptions for such environment would be:

a ) People get fed up with Microsoft over the final edge

b ) Apple decides to ruin their contracts with forementioned MS or their relationship get's ruined because of outside factors, and

c ) PowerPC family runs up a brick wall and there is no other alternative...

Orcinus

#15633

Originally posted by orcinus@Feb 15 2003, 03:50 PM

Let's turn down the silliness factor a notch here...

First of all, (regardless of the state the mentioned project is in) i'm not sure why Apple would kill a project like that... there is no reason... Darwin is OpenSource and as long as any project spawned from it remains that way, there are no legal grounds for any legal actions...

If they build a GUI of their own on top of it, no prob either...

Second of all, much prior to rather vague talk about Apple's (hardware) switch to x86 architecture there was CONFIRMED talk about Marklar... Apple's OSX port project that's going quite well and is still active...

According to various sources in Apple, whose statements could be heard all over the web, Marklar is kept under wraps until further notice and development of profitable environment...

Fitting descriptions for such environment would be:

a ) People get fed up with Microsoft over the final edge

b ) Apple decides to ruin their contracts with forementioned MS or their relationship get's ruined because of outside factors, and

c ) PowerPC family runs up a brick wall and there is no other alternative...

Orcinus

indeed.. there is even a guy on Spymac who has that x86 version of X, but people started pressing him, so he panicked and he hasn't been heard of since. I guess he worked for Apple, and didn't want to lose his job.

Point is, there is an x86 version of X, its just not public.

#15638

apple is so successfull because apples are Macs

and every mac is designed from top to bottom by apple

all apple put in parts

the OS is designed by apple, thats why it communicates so nicely

imagine the possibilties.... and apple has a large advantage because of this

#15647

wouldnt it be great though if they released osx for x86..that would be one of my computer dreams.

But we have to let time tell us... and have skinning and emulation hold us up for a while!

-bolero

#15658

Apple is first and foremost a hardware producer... the software part is relevant, but it's not from it that they make money (unlike Microsoft). So switching to x86 platform would be a real suicide... I know that it's been talked of for years, the project "Star Trek" if I remember correctly, there were rumors about Apple porting its OS to the x86 hardware, it all seemed a sort of X-filesque bubble that ended up who knows where... with OS X they would have a much easier task, since it's Unix-based, nonetheless I really really doubt they'll ever make the move (should I say "switch"? ), since they already have lots of problems financially...

#15676

one thing, why would this violate the DMCA at all?

two, some of the pieces of an OSX clone is already in the making, one FreeBSD. We already have an advantage here as apple uses FreeBSD 4.4, and 5.0 is released with many new features.

and for mach, well there is always GNU Mach which is still really immature...

Also we have the implimentation of OSX's API being worked on by the good old folks at GNUstep, since OSX is based off of NeXTStep

Proof of this work is the same app being used in OSX and GNUstep, with the same code, and being native to OSX and GNUstep

Now, the only problem is while we have OSX on x86, all of the apps on PPC OSX will need to be recomplied...why you ask? because x86 and PPC assembly are different from each other. Very different processor architechtures. I'm sure many people who make freeware programs will recompile their apps. Perhaps also people like omni group (who sell their apps).

If we could make everything in the OS work together very nicely, that would be awesome.

What I propose to do it to wait til' FreeBSD 5.0 stabilitizes at 5.2 or 5.3 and then use the kernel and userland. run X (or develop an alternative) and put gnustep on there. We need to make a new desktop enviroment that uses GNUstep. if we develop an alternative to X we would need to reprogram the backend of gnustep (most of gnustep will work with anything, the backend just connects it to whatever)

This would develop an OS that would at least be source compatable OSX.

There may be more things I didn't take into consideration but this is a basic idea.

#15691

This would violate the DMCA becuase it is REVERSE ENGINEERING. It is making something run on something different than it was origionaly intended to be on. For example, making a program that can read WORD documents and that is not made by M$ is illegal (but not stopped....yet). Believe me, Apple can basically stop us from using the Aqua color and Lucida Grande fonts if they wanted to. Apple is saying that every part of OS X is their intelectual property, even though they took ideas from other OSs and they didnt specificaly copyright every part.

Aint it a shame.

#15697

FreeBSD isn't apple's IP, GNUstep isn't apple's IP. don't even tell me openoffice is violating the law, believe me Sun must of went over the law with a fine toothed comb with staroffice...

We don't need to use the aqua color or fonts...if it comes down to that we can make our OWN kickass interface. Many people here are aesthetically talented.

#15722

reimplimenting an OS isn't reverse engineering, the specs are freely availible. the same software is too. OSX itself wouldnt be running on x86, just a clone

#15724

Argh! Bloody 'ell...

That's exactly what i said somewhere up there...

Damn Darwin is OPEN!!! It's OSX's kernel!!!

Things that are left are various deamons, drivers and GUI... (a grand simplification, but it doesn't quite matter here)

Won't talk about GUI, but THEY HAVE TO REWORK THE DRIVERS FROM SCRATCH ANYWAY for x86 platforms...

Claiming that this is reverse engineering and that anyone who attempts it is BREAKING THE LAW makes as much sense as claiming you're able to open a beer can with your ass (thru obscure network administration kung fu techniques).

As long as final product that incorporates Darwin (which, btw, is ported to x86) isn't commercial, like i said before, there is no GROUNDS FOR LEGAL ACTION FROM APPLE!!!

What's so hard to understand here?

What do you think Apple will do? Make major part of their OS OpenSource, then come back later and say: "Oh shux! We thoughta you'd be using 'em to stuff 'amburgers, not port it to x86! Give us back our Precious! Tear that contract!"?????????

Orcinus

Edit:

... and just so you know that i'm not talking thru my ass here, have some links:

http://developer.apple.com/darwin/

http://us.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/g...t_download/x86/

#15821

What do you think Apple will do? Make major part of their OS OpenSource, then come back later and say: "Oh shux! We thoughta you'd be using 'em to stuff 'amburgers, not port it to x86! Give us back our Precious! Tear that contract!"?????????

Hes right, they want you to use this source as you wish.

#15822

Listen, do I think apple should be able to sue, of course not. Do I want them to, NO! But there are lots of Laws in place that stop this sort of thing. I disagree with them, but still. And Sun had a lot of legal action against them by M$ because of Reverse Engineering, at least lots of threats.

I mean, Apple is saying that The Genie effect is copyrighted and even though he wasnt using any of their code, they still threatened Jeff, and Jeff is a lot more powerful then you (no offence).

Point is: Its not about the actual code in it, its how it runs/looks and what it can read. We are using Apples looks, and they dont like that. If you wanted to go through everything and take out every "apple" and OS X Symbol, and not use any of their fonts, the Genie Effect, their color schemes, Jaguar Stuff, and Docks, sure, its legal. .

The DMCA is wrong! But, it is a threat, and I dont want to see anyone hurt, especially if your only 14.

#15853

I know alot of people wont agree with me, but I think then we should just screw aqua, OSX is so much more than just the interface, it's the stability, the ease to program for it, the elegance of it all...that's what I think should be "cloned", if we can't port the interface then too bad...

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