Os X Aqua Overall Feel Vs Windows Xp Aquafied

Ok walking past a computer shop earlier today I saw an imac running Aqua and I could resist to give it a try.

I had never used (even seen) "real" Mac OS X aqua before, but I run an XP desktop that is virtually identical (trancetracer.tripod.com). Here is my first impression.

Machine was a G4 800 256 Ram Geforce 2.

It was Aqua 10.1, but I couldn't believe it, the word that comes to mind is "instant". First I tried out the dock, thinking that OD 0.86 that I run, running at about 50-60 fps on my AquaXP was fast,... Man I couldn't believe it the real dock is just INSTANT. The moment your mouse goes over an icon, INSTANTLY it is big. I don't know if it ran at 120 fps or what. If Jeff is reading this, the magnification needs to be tenths of seconds faster!! It felt so nice! I actually switched my OD 0.86 from "smooth and quick" to "jumpy but very fast" to get a "real" aqua effect.

On OD 0.86 you can sort of see the icon get bigger, on real OS X it is much much faster, perhaps twice as fast.

The magnification effect itself did seem pretty accurate though (Mageffect 2). But what was different, is that on OD 0.86 when you quickly move the mouse left-right (if you have a high fps) you get a "water effect" on OD 0.86, like a ripple. The real Aqua did not have this effect, perhaps because the icons enlarge and get smaller quicker, like I said before.

Any way enough about the dock, now for the genie effect.

I don't know the first couple of times I did it it was nice, but it is nowhere near as instant as the dock. It takes about 0.7- 1.0 seconds to minimize a window, and sometimes v-sync tearing is visible. I would have thought the window would (should) minimize faster, (maybe 0.3 seconds) it would have been more usable. There was no option in the dock panel to turn off the genie effect. Just a setting to swap it with another effect that just shrinks the window size until it is 128 pixels, as it slides onto the dock.

Oddly there was no transparency setting option on the dock settings. But most weirdly, there was no "default" button. You can change the magnification size and dock size all you want but when you want the default size there isn't one!

On the subject of menu selections, (i.e. when you click an item it blinks 3 times before selecting), i thought when I first used the iblink program for XP, that man using a mac would be slow. But no way! you don't even notice the blinking, the menu is just instantly there. I guess the speed is the same as say windows Xp's "fade in" time. It felt rock solid.

Anyhow, the way that I would compare AquafiedXp and real OS X Aqua, is that there is just a "feel" difference, that you just cant emulate I guess. OS X felt like it was carved out of steel, the feedback you get is just instant, not neccesarily in terms of speed, but in terms of "doneness" if I can invent that word. I suspect that you can actually sense the differences betweeen the engines that render windows on windows XP and the engine that renders windows on OS X Aqua. There is something different, the OS X Aqua has a more solid feel.

But there are just too many differences, I mean click on system settings, and you don't get the control panel,.. click on Finder and you get some cool ****, not the search dialog! :) One thing though, as fast as everything was. Internet Explorer took about 3 times as long to open as on my AquaXP!

The operating system, seemed much more dynamic to me than I would have thought.

(PS:// One thing I have done to my AquaXP after using real aqua for the first time, is

1. set my od to "jumpy but very fast" (which allowed me to use GDI + Engine, which was nice)

and

2. (very important) Set my mouse pointer speed to only 1 notch from the right, i.e. made it much faster. (I have an intellimouse explorer (enhance precision set to on). These 2 things really helped alot in getting the "feel" right.

But the one thing we really really really need is the throbbing default menu buttons,.. it is what makes OS X Aqua seem alive most of all (...apart from the dock) how have we come so far without them? We really really need them,... but how?

#10795

Wow. You've been aquafying and youve never even used a Mac?? Thats odd. Sounds like your first experience was as good as ours. The big difference between "Aquaxp" and OS X is that OS X uses Quartz, letting it give the whole OS full hardware acceleration. We are coming close, as WindowFX and Moby Dock (soon) are Hardware Accelerated.

As for the Mag effect, it seems perfect to me. Or just about. If you want the most accurate, most people say its Y'z dock, though I disagree.

Play the the Mac some more, you'll find lots of other surprises.

#10805

Whats the difference between windowFX and y'z shadow? Y's shadow works faster for me.

#10811

WindowFX is Hardware accelerated, but I was refering to its transition ability (for the Genie).

#10812

man,i wish i had more acess to OSX. i would be typing this in safari in OSX 10.2.3 but unfortunaley my G3 iMac only has 64 MB of ram but osx needs 128 mb (i wonder how long that copy of OSX will stay put away). so until i get another ram chip then im stuck with xp. :(

#10813

doesnt the G3 use SDRAM? Thats dirt cheap right now. You can get 128MB for like $10 in any major chain. PC and Mac RAM is the same, in case you didnt know.

#10815

That's why y's shadow works better for me!

I have an Ati Rage Mobility -p, the current drivers cant do alpha & transparency. (I can't ditch a whole laptop now can I) So windowFX would lag to hell.

Great that y's is not hardware.

#10829

I hope the throbbing buttons thing can be available in WB 4.0, that would be awesome!

I also have not seen or even used a mac with osx on either. Im looking forward to it.

#10830

Why dont you go down to your local Compusa and play on their iMacs. I sit on them for hours and they dont seem to mind. They probobly think Im gonna buy one, LOL.

#10836

No I don't like windowblinds,...

If there is 1 man who can do it it's Y.

This is a call to Mr Yamaguchi,... the time has come for throbbing default menu buttons,...

Mr Yamaguchi, you are our only hope.

#10839

Hi,

I have a chance to test drive, so to speak, several Macs lately.

Mostly iMacs and eMacs, and while I did find that the GUI is very quick, no doubt to being hardware accelerated, actual program execution does lag well behind fast, modern PC's.

In terms of the GUI, Aqua can't really be beat at this point in the area of user feedback and pure aesthetics. It's simply a joy to behold!

So while I may lust after a beautiful hardware accelerated GUI like Aqua, I am very happy with the overall speed of my PC's and am not ready nor willing to make the "switch".

Peace,

Grusic

#10843

regarding throbbing menu items, Iceman's ObjectBar theme does it... too bad Finder 10.2.3 looks much nicer. but still, it does it.

#10848

The Quarzt Extreme on Jaguar is amazing to see. Notice how when you move windows around the desktop they seem to glide so silky smooth over the desktop as if they were on wet glass. Compare that to moving a window around in any windows operating system. There are jagged edges all around the window no matter how good your graphics card is. Quartz Extreme allows this to happen on the mac. Have you tried watching an movie in quicktime, and then moving the quicktime window around?? IT IS AMAZING!! The movie stays right with the window, and plays through the movement flawlessly.

#10850

Icemans OB theme doing throbbing menu buttons?

No it doesn't!!!!!

I'm talking about OS X's ability to make the default "button" as in "ok" "cancel" throb in menu's. Not blinking menu items!!!!

PS:// Who knows how to enable shadows on OB menu items? Y's won't do it or I am setting something wrong.

Help.

#10868

I'm afraid I don't have idea about what are you talking about guys... what the throbbing menu items are? :blink:

#10936

The only throbbing buttons I know of are the default buttons in a window for: ok, cancel, etc.

Those however are not possible with current theming software for win.

#10940

Nothing is impossible,... Mr Yamaguchi could do it.

#10998