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You won't get a great moderator like Unbe, and frankly I don't think he'll leave... it takes a lot more for him to do that. And I'm not kissing anyone's ass because I've been warned too before. My full support to the staff because they've shown to do a pretty good job at well, administrating and moderating the forums. Quit the drama ;)

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You missed the point made above. Please re-read the above post by netox.

Indeed I did, thanks for pointing this out Cy. Rules are law and are not open to interpritation and cannot be changed modified at will. The rule is that rips/mods can be posted in screenshots so long as they are not distro'd.

I just assumed (via common courtesy) that if the original author requests it be removed that it could/would be done out of respect-- but the rule has nothing to do with respecting authors.

I propose that we respect our original creative talent.

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Pretty much everything that needs to be said has been said... but here are my 2 cents:

I think it should be allowed for someone who does a port of a theme to post it in the screenshot thread, as long as the porter makes it very clear that he was not the original author. That way there would be no confusion as to whether the shot was a rip or not.

If, as Unbe said, an original author requests a screenshot of her theme to be removed, it should be respected.

Another thing... why all the Unbe hate? If you really want him gone that bad... demote Unbe, and see how long A-S lasts. It will degrade into what 99% of any web forums are, and that's not good.

I'm not explicitly trying to take sides here - just presenting what seems to me as the most logical and practical solution.

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The owners of Aqua-Soft Forums reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.
Timan, the owner of Aqua-Soft has granted this right to the moderators of the forum. They have the authority to do whatever the hell they want to your posts, assuming it's not illegal, and Timan doesn't have a problem with it.

As members, we do not have the right to start threads like this and expect forum rules to be changed or amended just because we don't like them. This matter should have been taken up in private with Timan, not made public on the forums.

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WHO IS IN CHARGE OF MAKING NEW RULES? WHO MADE THE ORIGINAL RULES?

That was me. I made the current rules, with the help of Tim, Sid, Seph, Unbe, Pe8er, and various other staff.

I’m sure the guys will correct me if I’m wrong, but they look pretty much identical to the last version I worked on. The screenshot thread’s rules were created by Seph, with a little assistance form Tim and me because Seph was the resident screenshot *****/king.

Oddly enough, I’ve been toying with the idea of returning to Aqua-Soft…

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Steve was in Texas last week, I think that scared the **** out of him.

Yeah it's enough to scare the **** out of anybody, man or monkey :P

It's like it's own little world.. so strange... (no offense to any Texans)

P.S. I've seen through the plan.. Stevie is the perfect distraction to derail this topic into oblivion. I'm all for it!

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The owners of Aqua-Soft Forums reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.

Timan, the owner of Aqua-Soft has granted this right to the moderators of the forum.

"Owners" is not equal to moderators.

As members, we do not have the right to start threads like this and expect forum rules to be changed or amended just because we don't like them.

Why not?

This matter should have been taken up in private with Timan, not made public on the forums.

Why? I don't see Timan complaining, or closing this thread, so what's so wrong about talking about it in public?

That was me. I made the current rules, with the help of Tim, Sid, Seph, Unbe, Pe8er, and various other staff.

I’m sure the guys will correct me if I’m wrong, but they look pretty much identical to the last version I worked on. The screenshot thread’s rules were created by Seph, with a little assistance form Tim and me because Seph was the resident screenshot *****/king.

Oddly enough, I’ve been toying with the idea of returning to Aqua-Soft…

Thanks for the info.

So, Timan, what's your verdict?

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I never died, I just saw the light. I’ve got something in the works, though, that will show everyone here I’m still as anal about Mac emulation as anyone you care to name.

Anyway, I think I’ll let people get back to talking about screenshots. Don’t mind me.

Now we only need the second coming of Jebus H. Chrishna and AS might have a chance to return to its glory. :P

*sigh

I miss contra :'(

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See, you guys just need to let all your crap out. After 5 min after your post, you'll realise how retarded this topic is.
Then I guess I just wasted my time on this thread and I suppose no clear, definitive solution to this problem will be given.

To me, there's a bigger issue here than just screenshots. I could care less about that sh1t. The bigger issue is, how are the members of this forum supposed to act right if the rules aren't even clear? How are we supposed to know what is allowed and what isn't if there's no consistency?

Whatever man, long live ambiguity. But it's well unfair to ban people for something they don't even know is a rule, and the staff has no way of pointing the rule out to them. :slant:

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Then I guess I just wasted my time on this thread and I suppose no clear, definitive solution to this problem will be given.

To me, there's a bigger issue here than just screenshots. I could care less about that sh1t. The bigger issue is, how are the members of this forum supposed to act right if the rules aren't even clear? How are we supposed to know what is allowed and what isn't if there's no consistency?

Whatever man, long live ambiguity. But it's well unfair to ban people for something they don't even know is a rule, and the staff has no way of pointing the rule out to them. :slant:

Ban them? I have never-ever banned anyone cause of a SS of a ripped WIP theme. You got something mixed up there man.

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Ban them? I have never-ever banned anyone cause of a SS of a ripped WIP theme. You got something mixed up there man.

Wasn't Julieta and a few other members banned a few months ago for ripping a theme? And I believe, also, for ripping a BAPE elephant wall that blue rocket had made?

EDIT: I found it. December screenshots thread.

where are you getting this wall, its mine and prides and NFR...please dont use it in screenshots. thanks.

And I quote you Unbeliever:

How many times do i have to say this?!

Next person who posts ANYTHING related to rips will be banned.

And digitaljames, Tim never said anything against it so as long as i'm a mod, i will enforce it. Please don't butt in other people's business, ok?

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Wasn't Julieta and a few other members banned a few months ago for ripping a theme? And I believe, also, for ripping a BAPE elephant wall that blue rocket had made?

Julieta was banned cause i repatedly warned not to post screenshots of Eternal when we were trying to get susumu's permission, for re-distributing a ripped theme and for repeatedly insulting me.

And would you please clarify the "bape" situation? I'm not sure i banned anyone for showing a screenshot of Bape icons. I think i banned someone for claiming to have made the icons when it was clear they were ripped.

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Julieta was banned cause i repatedly warned not to post screenshots of Eternal when we were trying to get susumu's permission
My point exactly. But she wasn't banned for breaking a rule. And me, personally, wouldn't pay any attention to a moderator's warnings if they're not based on rules. We're not talking about moral fiber, we're talking about breaking or not breaking rules. Maybe it's not decent for her or anybody else to do what she did, but if she wasn't breaking a rule, then she didn't deserve to get banned, unless Aqua-Soft's ban policy is not founded on breaking the rules, or unless Aqua-Soft simply has no real definition of the reasons for banning a member. If that's the case, then I guess a moderator can ban anybody they feel like for whatever reason they feel like, whenever they feel like it, and us members will just have to accept the "deer caught in headlights" feeling.

And would you please clarify the "bape" situation? I'm not sure i banned anyone for showing a screenshot of Bape icons. I think i banned someone for claiming to have made the icons when it was clear they were ripped.

I never said anything about icons. I was talking about a wall that some people, again including Julieta, were showing in their screenshots.

EDIT: Anyway, fukk this sh1t dude. You guys already had your laugh about how stupid it was for some of us members to take this seriously, so, what's the point? Ain't like nothing's gonna change. I see what the staff's general attitude is, so I'm not even gonna bother anymore trying to make suggestions or express my opinion about any of these types of things 'cause in the end it's just worthless. Why drag this whole thing on when the people who can actually do something about it aren't even taking it seriously? Close the thread man, unless you haven't laughed enough already.

Members, don't waste your time on this like I did.

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I saw jef at the bottom, shouldn't have thought that he was actually going to post though should i :P Mysterious as ever....

And Stevie, the Light.... that is one hell of a light. Seriously, i'm going to have to hook myself up with one of those lights.

And on a side note... why the hate people? Don't kid yourself, it's not supposed to be a democracy!

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rules shmooles. i think the fundamental question is:

If the original author asked you not to post/remove a SS of his/her ripped work, would you:

A) comply with their wishes (this action is viewed as respectful)

B) ignore them (this action can be interpretted as spitting in their faces)

I see netox's point about CLARIFICATION of the rule and then STRICT ADHERENCE to the aforementioned rule. Now the rule ALLOWS posting the rip SSs given a condition: non-distrobution (and I think author's request is another condition that should be added). I don't think it GUARANTEES the right.

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My point exactly. But she wasn't banned for breaking a rule. And me, personally, wouldn't pay any attention to a moderator's warnings if they're not based on rules. We're not talking about moral fiber, we're talking about breaking or not breaking rules. Maybe it's not decent for her or anybody else to do what she did, but if she wasn't breaking a rule, then she didn't deserve to get banned, unless Aqua-Soft's ban policy is not founded on breaking the rules, or unless Aqua-Soft simply has no real definition of the reasons for banning a member. If that's the case, then I guess a moderator can ban anybody they feel like for whatever reason they feel like, whenever they feel like it, and us members will just have to accept the "deer caught in headlights" feeling.

4.3. Action: Pirated software, pornography of any kind or copyrighted content will NOT be allowed.

Result: Post will be deleted or have the offending content removed.

Distributing illegal ports is distributing illegal copyrighted material. Whatever you may think, even though we technically can ban anyone "when we feel like it" we wouldn't be mods if we did that. Besides i wouldn't be a very moral person if i on one hand, did everything i can to protect people who make this community what it is and on the other hand, banned people when i feel like it.

But if i have to choose, i'll always choose someone who's devoted hours and hours of their time so you people could "pwettyfy" your desktops over someone who just got here with 10mins of PS experience and posted a ss of a ripped WIP themes so he could feel special.

I never said anything about icons. I was talking about a wall that some people, again including Julieta, were showing in their screenshots.

Yes, that is true because Blue Rocket ASKED people not to rip his desktop and said a full set was coming but some people just couldn't care less about his wishes. The result? I don't think Blue Rocket ever released that wallpaper set. Hmm i wonder why?

The point is, i will never have respect, gratitude and patience for people who's only contribution to this community is screenshots and flame threads like i respect people who produce themes/wallpapers/icons this community depends on. I feel sorry for duyvan who's a great guy and who asked a valid question but some of lowlife here used it for their personal attacks on me.

For me, this discussion is over and all those who hoped to see my back can go and ... fudge themselves ;)

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4.3. Action: Pirated software, pornography of any kind or copyrighted content will NOT be allowed.

Result: Post will be deleted or have the offending content removed.

Pirated software: uncheck

Pornography: uncheck

Copyrighted: uncheck

It's an image of your desktop, I don't see anything illegal about that.

But still, it's insulting to the original author, so like don't rip...

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