[Lotelin]

scissorhands7, on Nov 10th 2009, 08:34 AM, said:

windows 7 superbar is a dock, and a taskbar combined

Yes, but if you have a lot of quick launch icons and many opened windows, is there too little place for this, don't you agree?
I think dock is perfect tool for quick launch, superbar or taskbar is good one for selecting windows and for information icons.

[Reenan]

hey bobah, why not make a version x64 compatible? *-*

[scissorhands7]

Lotelin, on Nov 10th 2009, 02:42 AM, said:

Yes, but if you have a lot of quick launch icons and many opened windows, is there too little place for this, don't you agree?
I think dock is perfect tool for quick launch, superbar or taskbar is good one for selecting windows and for information icons.

No I don't really agree because I user standalonestack for the quick launch icons thus i don't have too many, and you can only have so many open windows at one time.

[BOBAH13]

Reenan, on Nov 10th 2009, 01:29 PM, said:

hey bobah, why not make a version x64 compatible? *-*

Why do you want this ? now I use x64 win7, but use a lot of 32x apps, and feel well and the another thing, I do not know every aspect of creating x64 apps in windows. That's why I'd like to create what I know.

Now dock has realistic 3d mode, like in Mac, you do not need to create 3d panel in the skin, just create 2 parts:
1. bottom edge of the panel (thin line)
2. background - 2d image, like for 2d dock, just without any borders.

One thing that's not good in this new feature, I had to use OpenGL, and now when dock has to repaint 3d panel, it takes a lot of time, and you can notice buggy panel's resizing. I will think about it, but really not sure that it can be fixed.

[Reenan]

BOBAH13, on Nov 10th 2009, 03:09 PM, said:

Why do you want this ? now I use x64 win7, but use a lot of 32x apps, and feel well and the another thing, I do not know every aspect of creating x64 apps in windows. That's why I'd like to create what I know.

Now dock has realistic 3d mode, like in Mac, you do not need to create 3d panel in the skin, just create 2 parts:
1. bottom edge of the panel (thin line)
2. background - 2d image, like for 2d dock, just without any borders.

One thing that's not good in this new feature, I had to use OpenGL, and now when dock has to repaint 3d panel, it takes a lot of time, and you can notice buggy panel's resizing. I will think about it, but really not sure that it can be fixed.

well, I use W7 X64 too, and I would like to have all my apps on x64 x) just for that.


but, use OpenGL will not make the dock slow? I say that because I use a damn onboard GPU, it will not suck with my system?

[baconissweet]

BOBAH13, on Nov 10th 2009, 11:09 AM, said:

Why do you want this ? now I use x64 win7, but use a lot of 32x apps, and feel well and the another thing, I do not know every aspect of creating x64 apps in windows. That's why I'd like to create what I know.

Now dock has realistic 3d mode, like in Mac, you do not need to create 3d panel in the skin, just create 2 parts:
1. bottom edge of the panel (thin line)
2. background - 2d image, like for 2d dock, just without any borders.

One thing that's not good in this new feature, I had to use OpenGL, and now when dock has to repaint 3d panel, it takes a lot of time, and you can notice buggy panel's resizing. I will think about it, but really not sure that it can be fixed.

So how much slower is this dock then?

[AndrewYY]

mm perhaps this 3d idea isn't so great, since I don't really see much benefit from it, and slowdown is a big issue. Theme makers have always been able to fake perspective for docks, so I think it's better to get it working fast and without glitches, than to get the perspective to look perfect.

Of course, if it's possible to have both, that'd be super

This post has been edited by AndrewYY: 11 November 2009 - 04:38 AM

[firecracker6]

BOBAH13, on Nov 10th 2009, 05:09 PM, said:

Why do you want this ? now I use x64 win7, but use a lot of 32x apps, and feel well and the another thing, I do not know every aspect of creating x64 apps in windows. That's why I'd like to create what I know.

I think you mean XWD runs on x64 Win7 but is not a 64bit app. Is this correct?

If it runs on x64, I think we're good to go

[BOBAH13]

firecracker6, on Nov 11th 2009, 05:47 AM, said:

I think you mean XWD runs on x64 Win7 but is not a 64bit app. Is this correct?

If it runs on x64, I think we're good to go

Of course, all x32 apps work in x64 well.

[aka120]

BOBAH13, on Nov 11th 2009, 12:21 AM, said:

Of course, all x32 apps work in x64 well.

But, with XWD 5.6 running on x64 Win 7, no x64bit app's window will minimize to the dock , only a x32 bit apps window will minimize to the dock. If there is no x64 bit version of XWD, will this issue be addressed? Actually, I got ahead of myself there, my understanding is you are making this theme as mac like as possible, so I assumed there will be the minimize windows to dock functionality in XWD II.

Also, if there is minimize windows to dock implemented into XWD, will the minimized window in the dock keep the shape of its actual size, instead of a generic size like in v5.6?

i.e.
XWD running on Windows 7


compared to

Mac Dock on Leopard


*Also, in leopard, the windows always minimize before the recycle bin, could this functionality be implemented into XWD II if in fact the minimize windows to dock feature is included?

Bobah, man you are a saint to develop a new XWD, I thank you very much and I'm so excited!

This post has been edited by aka120: 11 November 2009 - 03:28 PM

[vhanla]

Yeah, OpenGL is very slow on Win7, I was trying to continu with my projects based on that and they are very slow, and also I don't know why Aero deactivates while running those OpenGL apps. At least that was my experience on Win7.

[BOBAH13]

to aka120: I'm working now, not minimizing issue, now other more basic features are more important. For example compability with XP yea, you heare correctly, now I hope it was fixed, but we are still testing it.

[aka120]

Completely understandable, there are more important things to do first, and I know your working really hard on this project. I just wish I could help somehow.
You rock Bobah, thanks so much.

[iJesse]

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Completely understandable, there are more important things to do first, and I know your working really hard on this project. I just wish I could help somehow.
You rock Bobah, thanks so much.

I know for a fact he would love some donations! I'm trying to find some way to give him at least something.

[Elevati0n]

Yeah, if we do a visit in Ukraine...or send money by a person who knows Vladimir.
Still paypal doesn't work in Ukraine?

[saiac]

I hope this version will work well with win7, 'cos 5.6 can't magnify icons when mouse is over them. (no other softwares running)
I tried several times, but it still doesn't work...

Now I am planning to reinstall 7 ultimate Retail, so i hope 2.0.0 will perform perfectly on it.

This post has been edited by saiac: 12 November 2009 - 08:38 AM

[Elevati0n]

@saiac: I had those simptoms in my Win7 too...but only when I've changed themes or personalized windows
Now it's oki...Works perfectly. My Win 7 is RC (home) and here I have 7600 RTM.

[BOBAH13]

saiac, on Nov 12th 2009, 09:38 AM, said:

I hope this version will work well with win7, 'cos 5.6 can't magnify icons when mouse is over them. (no other softwares running)
I tried several times, but it still doesn't work...

Now I am planning to reinstall 7 ultimate Retail, so i hope 2.0.0 will perform perfectly on it.

Now more problems with XP, I cannot get it runing well in XP, in Seven, as I said before, I'm working in it and it works for me well.

[Elevati0n]

leave XP development...Win7 will be the OS ..IMHO
Can we see a screen of XWD 2.0 alpha/beta...with your desktop. I can't wait anymore...

[BOBAH13]

We got to know, that on Vista it works well too, on XP it works well only under Debuggers like OlyDebugger, MSVC debugger and so on I think. Why ? I do not know, and spent a lot of time on this. not sure that it will be possible to use this dock on xp. Sorry.