[vhanla]

I happy to read this post. XWD II I can't wait to see the first pre-alpha, beta or even source code

Best Regards!

[BOBAH13]

Already done:
1. Drag&Drop from other apps
2. Drag items inside the dock
3. Poof items, when drag out of the dock
4. 2D mode - support left/top/right/bottom sides
5. 3D mode - support only bottom
6. Reflection - now I've suspend it, cause have problems with it, may in future continue with it
7. Baloon text of the items
8. Execution mode - always run/check it's already running and then active the first window of the app
9. Show as when run app - normal/maximize/minimize
10. Attributes of the item - Arguments/Work directory/Icon/Text/Path...

All what you do is animated

and this version will be much closer to the mac's one. I hope I won't have problems with Apple

That's all I think, may I've missed something.

Edit:
Not sure, may try to integrate the dock like a shell for windows ? like mac's one, when app open you will see it in the dock, when app takes focus (flash in the task bar) dock also animate (jump) the app's icon. What do you think ?

Edit:
Oh I forgot, now dock can get .ico as well and get the largests icons from the apps, so now you won't have (about 90%) problems with bad icons in your dock. What about idea for drop icon/png/jpg and etc into dock's items, I will try to implement it.

[firecracker6]

Hi Bobah13, this relates to configuring the dock but I really like the ability to drag & drop a PNG onto the dock item to set the item's icon. Would this be easy for you to add? (maybe even if it's just CTRL+Drag&Drop, etc.)

I really enjoy your idea of integrating the dock like a shell for windows, and keeping the functionality Mac Like, but maybe you could approach certain functionality one piece at a time to ensure stability with a feature before adding the next. Having people test the dock on their different platforms will help ensure your program is stable as it gets more complex.

Personally, I would prefer a stable and reliable dock (with smaller feature set,) then a buggy and unrelable dock that features everything and the kitchen sink. A stable dock feels like part of the core OS.

One thing I noticed on XWD v5.6+ is that if you connect an external HardDrive, you cannot unplug (safely remove hardware,) the device with XWD running. But the moment you exit out of the dock, you can disconnect the device on the first try. It constantly reminds me that I have to close out of the dock, disconnect my portable devices, and then re-launch the dock.

Thank you by the way, for posting feature lists such as this. They are fun to read
I look forward to hearing more about your progress.

[Mattey]

BOBAH13, on Nov 6th 2009, 09:00 PM, said:

Not sure, may try to integrate the dock like a shell for windows ? like mac's one, when app open you will see it in the dock, when app takes focus (flash in the task bar) dock also animate (jump) the app's icon. What do you think ?

Oh I forgot, now dock can get .ico as well and get the largests icons from the apps, so now you won't have (about 90%) problems with bad icons in your dock. What about idea for drop icon/png/jpg and etc into dock's items, I will try to implement it.

Man!!! I think it's a great idea...
(actually it is)
and it's grat news for all of us...
I have all my icons in .png but some people gets tired of looking for new icons
but well, I think it would be great to make XWD "part of Windows"

[scissorhands7]

Mattey, on Nov 6th 2009, 10:51 PM, said:

I have all my icons in .png but some people gets tired of looking for new icons

This will help, Aveiconifier

[GrandTheftBeatbox]

I have a request. Could it be possible to maake an option to use the default system icons in the dock instead of having the themes icons forced onto you.

This post has been edited by GrandTheftBeatbox: 07 November 2009 - 09:05 AM

[BOBAH13]

Now when you drop some files/systems (my comp, control panel and etc..)/folders/... you will see system's icons or app's icons, then you can simply select and drop some icons (gif, jpg, bmp, ico, png, may something else, it depends on gdiplus, ico - I handle it by myself) onto any items in the dock, and you will that that item changed its icon to drop's one of course in future dock will have interface to customize every item of the dock.

About skins. Now it's ini files (skin.ini). You won't be able to customize skin in the dock (size of icon's reflection, space between icons and etc...), it make sense, I think, cause:
1. Skin's creator will know exactly how his skin will be looked like on another dock.
2. Somebody (may be it's me) will create skin customizer. Another app to customize dock's skins. Dock will give neccessry paths to let skin customizer to find the dock's skins.

Edit:
What do you think guys, if I create dialogs (edit items, preferences...) in mac's design - chrome ? Of put them in windows' one ? Now I just think about dialogs, now working on other stuff.

[sunnylee]

wiating for you !~~~

[Nikola]

@Bobah I'm sorry because of my pesimic atitude but as i started to use W7 i lost any need of dock apps even XWD.You use W7 so i guess you notice SB is now app luncher and windows manager better than any dock made for windows.So...is XWD 2 going to be dock who can replace Superbar and his advantages?

[BOBAH13]

Really, I cannot see new features in the 7's taskbar. Now, dock will be like XWD 5.6. like others, not reapace taskbar, may in future, if I successfuly intergate the dock into the shell, that user can manage windows/apps and etc. in the dock, than everybody can hide taskbar if you want. I do not see things that make me to replace taskbar as default.

Guys, now icon's reflection - done
Working on indicators & separators, still icons

and, may be create tray icon to activate the dock, it's behind windows, or do you have other ideas ?

Edit:
Now dock automatically detects if you added a Recycle Bin, and working with it, you can see if it's empty/full, and of course by right click you can simple emty the Recycle Bin. Also, you cannot setup icons on it, like for other items, just drop icon onto it, but (now no user-interfaces (dialogs)) you can setup icons for empty/full Recycle Bin

Anyway, if somebody has good ideas for the dock, I'm ready to listen to them.

Edit:
Now when you drag (for example icon) onto the dock's item and drop it, you will see a menu, where following items can have a place:
1. Setup Icon (for every item, draging only icons)
2. Run in (for applications items - which have extensions equal ".exe", draggin any files)
3. Copy/Move to (for directories items, draggin any files)
4. Move to Recycle Bin (for Recycle Bin items, draggin any files)
5. Cancel - do nothing with dropped file.

[firecracker6]

..allow hotkey(s) so that users can assign a mouse gesture to activate the dock maybe? Using something like strokeit

However, it's hard to beat the current method of simply moving your mouse to the screen-edge and bump/activating the dock to foreground. (since your mouse is going there anyways to click on a dock item.)

It's just important to restore focus to window after dock looses focus

[Byakkun]

Nikola, on Nov 7th 2009, 05:54 PM, said:

@Bobah I'm sorry because of my pesimic atitude but as i started to use W7 i lost any need of dock apps even XWD.You use W7 so i guess you notice SB is now app luncher and windows manager better than any dock made for windows.So...is XWD 2 going to be dock who can replace Superbar and his advantages?

Well it is a matter of taste firstly. Secondly, I agree that the new taskbar is better, but I still think that there is room for improvement. If you are happy with the W7 taskbar I'm glad for you. For those who thing differently, like myself, I'm glad that bobah is willing to make this dock. Again. And maybe, just maybe, it will be not as good as the leopard/snow leopard dock or as good as the win7 taskbar but as good as those combined or even better. To paraphrase a certain company ad: think progressive.

[baconissweet]

Freaking awesome!!!!!!!!!!

[magnus87]

Hey Bobbah, It will be compatible with Windows7 Jump List??

This post has been edited by magnus87: 08 November 2009 - 01:17 PM

[AndrewYY]

Ini files for the skin sounds much nicer than the old xwd files

[Nikola]

Byakkun, on Nov 7th 2009, 10:00 PM, said:

Well it is a matter of taste firstly. Secondly, I agree that the new taskbar is better, but I still think that there is room for improvement. If you are happy with the W7 taskbar I'm glad for you. For those who thing differently, like myself, I'm glad that bobah is willing to make this dock. Again. And maybe, just maybe, it will be not as good as the leopard/snow leopard dock or as good as the win7 taskbar but as good as those combined or even better. To paraphrase a certain company ad: think progressive.

Agree with you,SB do the job but it's boring no stack suport,custom folder pinning etc...,but now i'm feeling lot more happier when heard Bobah will try to intergrate dock into shell : )))

[koalacarlo79]

I'm waiting with trepidation...

[Lotelin]

Nikola, on Nov 7th 2009, 07:54 PM, said:

i started to use W7 i lost any need of dock apps even XWD...
...who can replace Superbar and his advantages?

Why replace? SuperBar & Dock working well together and perfectly complement each other.

[BurntAsafoetida]

XWindowsDock v5.6 has some cpu issues in my 7x64 installed machine. Because of that I postponed to use XWD for a while. But; in BOBAH we trust . I'm in belief that he will make us happy.

[scissorhands7]

Lotelin, on Nov 9th 2009, 06:25 PM, said:

Why replace? SuperBar & Dock working well together and perfectly complement each other.

Pretty much because windows 7 superbar is a dock, and a taskbar combined, however there are limitations, which hopefully boobah can overcome and improve upon.

IMO the best part of the dock is the gallery feature, personally I'd be a big fan if Boobah could make a standalone gallery stack similar to Chrisn'soft's standalone stack and improve the memory usage features/scrolling/etc. Personally I think windows 7 will obsolete alot of dock features. We have standalone stack, lets take a crack at having a standalone gallery stack. That's partially why i wish matonga would get back on so Boobah could integrate the gallery to the stacks.lib so chris could put it in his standalone stack.

but I'm just ranting.