[Smaky]

Yes, I noticed the same problem... but I have debugged the code and the gmail server is actually retrieving that many mails (in my case 334 when I only have about a 100 mails).

I have not found a pattern (as if it were retrieving twice the real number or something like it).... I did not have time to test POP access via Outlook or another POP3 mail reader to see if the problem occurs there too... did you tested that out? All I can say is that those are the numbers that are being returned by the mail server.... I do not think that it could be because of a ecription issue since the very same code worked fine (that is reported the accurate number of mails) for the yahoo mail account (since I created it yesterday I had only 1 mail there) and the docklet reported it fine.

If I do not find a reason I will contact gmail support and ask if I should do something additional.

And for answering your question... the number comes from the first parameter returned by the sever upon a POP3 STAT message (from RFC 1939):

STAT
 
		 Arguments: none
 
		 Restrictions:
			 may only be given in the TRANSACTION state
 
		 Discussion:
			 The POP3 server issues a positive response with a line
			 containing information for the maildrop.  This line is
			 called a "drop listing" for that maildrop.
 
			 In order to simplify parsing, all POP3 servers are
			 required to use a certain format for drop listings.  The
			 positive response consists of "+OK" followed by a single
			 space, the number of messages in the maildrop, a single
			 space, and the size of the maildrop in octets.  This memo
			 makes no requirement on what follows the maildrop size.
			 Minimal implementations should just end that line of the
			 response with a CRLF pair.  More advanced implementations
			 may include other information.
 
				NOTE: This memo STRONGLY discourages implementations
				from supplying additional information in the drop
				listing.  Other, optional, facilities are discussed
				later on which permit the client to parse the messages
				in the maildrop.
 
			 Note that messages marked as deleted are not counted in
			 either total.
 
		 Possible Responses:
			 +OK nn mm
 
		 Examples:
			 C: STAT
			 S: +OK 2 320

Ghostwalker;510043 said:

I have a problem with gMail, the numbers dont add up. I have 3 accounts and after adding the last one I noticed a error. The count number says I have 780 mails but that account only has a total of 176 it has never had that many. I then checked my other accounts with the same outcome the number displayed does not match the total in the account or the unread number or anything else.
One account has this...
Inbox=1917
Stared=75
Sent Mail=261
Drafts=4
All Mail=2043
Spam=1477
Trash=0
The docklet says I have 101 for this account, where are the numbers coming from?

[Ghostwalker]

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as if it were retrieving twice the real number or something like it

In my case it for one account it reports less than what I have and in another it reports more than what I have. I use Outlook 2007 and it works fine there.

[Ghostwalker]

Ok I went to my gmail account and changed the pop setting to ...

Enable POP for mail that arrives from now on

and then sent myself a test message and it is showing correct although it is not reading unread but total.

[proenca]

the docklet counter showme the total mails in the inbox, its possible to show only the unread emails?

thanks

[mvosx1094]

fedroponce;509967 said:

I created a yahoo mail account and tested it with my docklet... it worked just fine.
You need to enable POP3 access from the "Options" and configure an account with the following parameters:

mail server (POP3): pop.mail.yahoo.com
Use SSL
Port: 995
username: yourusername@yahoo.com

Thankyou for the info for the yahoo mail settings but I also have a bit more request since me and Ghostwalker will most likely be ur main feedback guys. Okay before any request I pay for MSN Premium which comes with hotmail and its MSN Browser plus email, so I have a paid MSN Hotmail account I just need info on how to set it up so please help me on that. And ghostwalker has said this earlier when the docklet says how many emails there are it counts up the total amount not the unread so u gotta fix that.

Now for the request:

1 when there is no mails to be read the docklet title says "No mails" but remember how I asked to add the ability to change the label well if theres no badge with a number displaying emails then theres no point of the title saying No mails so just get rid of that all together.

2: if there is new messages make the docklet count up all the total emails combined from all the accounts configured in the docklet and let the label say " # Unread Messages " that waay it will be easier for the user to tell how there is plus with the badge giving the user assurance.

3: When u right click on the docklet theres the obvious context menu, so this deals with request 2, add menu items saying the email Configured Name saying total unread messages to understand which is the one with the most unread mail. An example is below: Docklet Settings
Check Mail Now
About CheckMail Docklet
-------------------- [<-- add a separation line]
"Yahoo! Mail" has # unread messages
"Live" has # unread messages [use the users configured nickname for each email for the title of the menu items
[Make the items clickable which leads to request #4]

4: add per app settings to open each email address because not all email apps support every type of email accounts such as WindowsMail which doesn't support msn emails oddly. So in the first window when u rightclick configure docklet there should be at the bottom where the add default email program would be, add a checkbox saying use this as the deafult Email app. Then another check box saying "use per email application settings". What I mean by per app setting is when u add or configure the email the docklet watches over, add another box saying use per app setting and underneath it will be a dulled out box then next to the box patch put a button to find a specific app or Http URL if u dont have an app to launch that when u select that certain mail from the context menu.

This is alot to process so ask any questions about my request here are images of what I mean to explain.

Image Requset 4 explains the first half of request 4 request 4.5 explains the other half.

Remember if any questions or suggestions notify me by email which is shown on my DA account. The link to my DA account is in my sig.

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[Smaky]

The last few hour I have been testing my gmail account where I had about 200 mails. As I mentioned earlier, for some reason, Gmail reported 334 mails, altough loggin directly to it listed no more than 220... problem is that that is the information that is being returned by the gmail server.

Just for the sake of completeness... I configured Windows Live Mail (which I do not use as my regular email reader app - so it was not configured at all) to actually download the email via POP+SSL. When I first clicked on "send & receive" I got it to download the (a year plus) mails to my computer... but to my surprise, initially the dialog reported 334 mails left, after waiting half an hour, I noticed that the progressbar completed at about 220 messages... after which it simply ended susccessfully.

Well, the bottom line is that after cleaning my account by downloading all the received emails, there were only 222 of them... even though both the docklet & Windows Live Mail initially reported 334. After this, I rechecked mail using the docklet and it reported 0 mails accurately.

It seems to me that gmail is not reporting accurately it's mail count, but I think this should be further tested... unfortunately my account is empty now, so I will simply monitor if from now on it reports the correct number of mail.

As you can see, there is nearly nothing I can do about it, I even tried with the LIST command to actually retrieve the number of mails by listing each one and saving the count, but before emptying my gmail account that too reported 334 mails (which of course did not existed).

I think that if you could test as I did maybe you can help us find if it really a problem with gmail.

[Smaky]

mvosx1094,

On the MSN configuration issue, I am afraid I can not help you, I do not have a paid service for a MSN Live/hotmail. All I have is a plain free acount which the help states that it does not support SSL, nor does it disclose the required parameters. Sorry for that, but I really have no use for a hotmail account (I just registered one for the sake of testing the docklet), so paying for it is not an option for me.

Now on your suggestions...

1. I have still not understand what you would like for the label to show... currently after checking the mail the docklet shows a summarized count of all the mails available (more on this later) among all configured (and activated) accounts. If you click on the number, then the label will cycle through all the configured accounts showing either the number of mails found at that account or the last result of the check (like "Not Checked" if the account is not active, or "Not able to login", "Not able to connect", or some other error messages that could have occurred during the account mail check. I decided to show no mails because No mails is not the same as an error, in that case the docklet shows "0" at the red dot.

2. That's what the docklet currently does (unless you click the dot and then it shows the number of mails at a particular account). One thing I would like to mention here is that the number of mails is not really Unread messages, it's merely the number of mails available reported back by the mail server at the configured maildrop. It would be unread messages only when your mail client is configured to download & erase the message from the server, if it is not, then that number will continue growing unless you manually delete the mesages at the server or download them to your mail client (configurying it to clear them). So, in many cases (as in my case where I access my account both at home and at work, I have configured my home email reader to keep a copy at the server, whereas my office computer does actually delete them). I believe that the term "unread" message is not accurate at all.

3. I thought about that, but I decided not to go with something like that because it could "clutter" the context menu... I would reconsider if I get more feedback asking for such a feature.

4. This is something I agree that might be useful... I too have accounts which are accessed using different mail readers (I even have some of them thar are only accessed through the browser)... what made me not to do it in the first place was that it might get cumbersome to configure... look what if I have a single app to access three of my accounts (like outlook), and another two which are accessed via web... then if I have configured a "per account" setting, then it would open three times outlook (I know outlook prevents multiple instances opened at the same time... but you get what I mean) when only one is needed... since certainly outlook would be configured to download mail from all the three accounts. Again, this one would not be too difficult to implement... if you consider the possible pitfalls.

mvosx1094;510057 said:

Thankyou for the info for the yahoo mail settings but I also have a bit more request since me and Ghostwalker will most likely be ur main feedback guys. Okay before any request I pay for MSN Premium which comes with hotmail and its MSN Browser plus email, so I have a paid MSN Hotmail account I just need info on how to set it up so please help me on that. And ghostwalker has said this earlier when the docklet says how many emails there are it counts up the total amount not the unread so u gotta fix that.

Now for the request:

1 when there is no mails to be read the docklet title says "No mails" but remember how I asked to add the ability to change the label well if theres no badge with a number displaying emails then theres no point of the title saying No mails so just get rid of that all together.

2: if there is new messages make the docklet count up all the total emails combined from all the accounts configured in the docklet and let the label say " # Unread Messages " that waay it will be easier for the user to tell how there is plus with the badge giving the user assurance.

3: When u right click on the docklet theres the obvious context menu, so this deals with request 2, add menu items saying the email Configured Name saying total unread messages to understand which is the one with the most unread mail. An example is below: Docklet Settings
Check Mail Now
About CheckMail Docklet
-------------------- [<-- add a separation line]
"Yahoo! Mail" has # unread messages
"Live" has # unread messages [use the users configured nickname for each email for the title of the menu items
[Make the items clickable which leads to request #4]

4: add per app settings to open each email address because not all email apps support every type of email accounts such as WindowsMail which doesn't support msn emails oddly. So in the first window when u rightclick configure docklet there should be at the bottom where the add default email program would be, add a checkbox saying use this as the deafult Email app. Then another check box saying "use per email application settings". What I mean by per app setting is when u add or configure the email the docklet watches over, add another box saying use per app setting and underneath it will be a dulled out box then next to the box patch put a button to find a specific app or Http URL if u dont have an app to launch that when u select that certain mail from the context menu.

This is alot to process so ask any questions about my request here are images of what I mean to explain.

Image Requset 4 explains the first half of request 4 request 4.5 explains the other half.

Remember if any questions or suggestions notify me by email which is shown on my DA account. The link to my DA account is in my sig.

[Smaky]

proenca,

Unfortunately no, there is no way the POP3 RFC spec would report on that... currently I am using an STAT command to retrieve the number of mails available at the account, the spec does not ask implementors to report anything but the total number of mails & the size in octlets (take a look at one of my previous posts).

Maybe if someone out there much more literate on the POP3 spec would yield some light on this... but it seems by looking at mail reader programs that this information is only available after downloading the mail... for web based apps... it seems to be the web app mail reader & not the POP3 server which keeps track on this numbers.

I think that tying to mimic that in the docklet would lend it to download all mail and keep a history of it, which would be overkill for a docklet app... but I am open to hear any idea.

proenca;510056 said:

the docklet counter showme the total mails in the inbox, its possible to show only the unread emails?

thanks

[Ghostwalker]

Sounds to me like you are right and it is a gmail problem.

[mvosx1094]

fedroponce;510077 said:

mvosx1094,

On the MSN configuration issue, I am afraid I can not help you, I do not have a paid service for a MSN Live/hotmail. All I have is a plain free acount which the help states that it does not support SSL, nor does it disclose the required parameters. Sorry for that, but I really have no use for a hotmail account (I just registered one for the sake of testing the docklet), so paying for it is not an option for me.

Now on your suggestions...

1. I have still not understand what you would like for the label to show... currently after checking the mail the docklet shows a summarized count of all the mails available (more on this later) among all configured (and activated) accounts. If you click on the number, then the label will cycle through all the configured accounts showing either the number of mails found at that account or the last result of the check (like "Not Checked" if the account is not active, or "Not able to login", "Not able to connect", or some other error messages that could have occurred during the account mail check. I decided to show no mails because No mails is not the same as an error, in that case the docklet shows "0" at the red dot.

2. That's what the docklet currently does (unless you click the dot and then it shows the number of mails at a particular account). One thing I would like to mention here is that the number of mails is not really Unread messages, it's merely the number of mails available reported back by the mail server at the configured maildrop. It would be unread messages only when your mail client is configured to download & erase the message from the server, if it is not, then that number will continue growing unless you manually delete the mesages at the server or download them to your mail client (configurying it to clear them). So, in many cases (as in my case where I access my account both at home and at work, I have configured my home email reader to keep a copy at the server, whereas my office computer does actually delete them). I believe that the term "unread" message is not accurate at all.

3. I thought about that, but I decided not to go with something like that because it could "clutter" the context menu... I would reconsider if I get more feedback asking for such a feature.

4. This is something I agree that might be useful... I too have accounts which are accessed using different mail readers (I even have some of them thar are only accessed through the browser)... what made me not to do it in the first place was that it might get cumbersome to configure... look what if I have a single app to access three of my accounts (like outlook), and another two which are accessed via web... then if I have configured a "per account" setting, then it would open three times outlook (I know outlook prevents multiple instances opened at the same time... but you get what I mean) when only one is needed... since certainly outlook would be configured to download mail from all the three accounts. Again, this one would not be too difficult to implement... if you consider the possible pitfalls.

I was talking about my MSN because earlier u requested if someone has a paid MSN account well, I do.
1: wat i mean is if there is no new mails on the docklets dock label dont make it say No mails, just keep it at the configured name.
2: Thnx ffor the info ill feedback when my settings are corrected
3: It would help alot thats why I suggested it and if the user has more than 4 configured emails maybe do something like this:
-------------------sep line
Mail Accounts> [this would lead to a sub menu, like when u rightclick new]
Live
Yahoo!
G-Mail
4: Try to implement this feature and see where it takes us thats why I thought of this: when u clik on the docklet once it would open the dafault app i was talking about in my earlier post. When the circle appears add the feature to click on it and display the mail accounts in a menu and click on of them to just check that one not all of them. And/or the contextmenu would also be useful beacuse once u click the Mails nickname it would also just open that one.

reply forur thoughts on my thoughts

[Smaky]

Thanks for the feed-back... i will be updating the docklet in a few days.

[mvosx1094]

fedroponce;510131 said:

Thanks for the feed-back... i will be updating the docklet in a few days.

alright also try to add IMAP and HTTP email compablity IMAP is for most power mails like Yahoo! and HTTP for MSn/Live

[Ghostwalker]

Quote

4: Try to implement this feature and see where it takes us thats why I thought of this: when u clik on the docklet once it would open the dafault app i was talking about in my earlier post. When the circle appears add the feature to click on it and display the mail accounts in a menu and click on of them to just check that one not all of them. And/or the contextmenu would also be useful beacuse once u click the Mails nickname it would also just open that one.

Outlook works that way you can check any one particular account or all accounts.There is javascript code that can access gMail and get the total unread count but I did not mention it earlier because I thought you would rather code everything to work one way(pop3). I use this code in Yahoo Widgets, it does not use ssl if you are interested in that code just let me know and I will send it to you. And of course gMail also has free IMAP support.

[Smaky]

It never hurt to learn something... besides... you have been really helpful here, at least I could take a look at the code and evaluate if it is possible to integrate an "alternate" method to check on a gmail account.

Ghostwalker;510148 said:

Outlook works that way you can check any one particular account or all accounts.There is javascript code that can access gMail and get the total unread count but I did not mention it earlier because I thought you would rather code everything to work one way(pop3). I use this code in Yahoo Widgets, it does not use ssl if you are interested in that code just let me know and I will send it to you. And of course gMail also has free IMAP support.

[Church Punk]

fedroponce;509964 said:

[...]

I did not get the last part... "try to make the docklet react to the docks effects like bounce or its indicator for the app the docklet uses to check for mail like say Windows Live Mail or even Thunderbird" what did you mean?

Let me translate, i think i know what you mean cuz i was going to ask the same thing.

SPANISH: Es posible que el icono del docklet tenga el indicador que tienen los iconos normales cuando esta corriendo el progama elegido?
Cuando le das click al docklet para correrel programa, el icono no hace el efecto como los demas iconos, podrias implementar esto tambien?

mira el screenshot. el icono de la izquierda es el del docklet, y el otro es el del programa normal que esta corriendo.

BACK TO ENGLISH:

I am usin RK launcher too and it works perfect, just for a little thing: After the animation, the icon shows in a weird form. The little red icon and the number of emails shows perfectly, but the icon is somehow resized and doesnt look nice. (see screenshot)

Thanks for the docklet, was the only thing missing on RK launcher

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[mvosx1094]

Church Punk;510160 said:

Let me translate, i think i know what you mean cuz i was going to ask the same thing.

SPANISH: Es posible que el icono del docklet tenga el indicador que tienen los iconos normales cuando esta corriendo el progama elegido?
Cuando le das click al docklet para correrel programa, el icono no hace el efecto como los demas iconos, podrias implementar esto tambien?

mira el screenshot. el icono de la izquierda es el del docklet, y el otro es el del programa normal que esta corriendo.

BACK TO ENGLISH:

I am usin RK launcher too and it works perfect, just for a little thing: After the animation, the icon shows in a weird form. The little red icon and the number of emails shows perfectly, but the icon is somehow resized and doesnt look nice. (see screenshot)

Thanks for the docklet, was the only thing missing on RK launcher

Dude thnx man for giving a rundown of one if my request

[Smaky]

mvosx1094;510163 said:

Dude thnx man for giving a rundown of one if my request

So, if I got you both right, what you meant is that when you click on the docklet you want it to "bounce" or whatever "DockletAnimation" was configured for the docklet... is that it?

I did not notice anithing because I have configured my docks (all RocketDock, OD+ & RKLauncher) not to bounce or anything... but if that is what you want, no problem... let me update the docklet.

[Church Punk]

and what about the app indicator (while the selected app is opened)? please?

[mvosx1094]

Church Punk;510172 said:

and what about the app indicator (while the selected app is opened)? please?

Yeah that feature is a must and thnx for backing up my statement Churchpunk. And fedroponce, I have said it earlier but maybe u missed it. To add complete compability with all email types, add the ability to moniter not only pop3 but also Http (MSN/Live) & Imap (yahoo) with this it shall be able to see all the emails not only some like gmail.

[Smaky]

I would, but I have no idea on how those protocols works. If you have any information on the inner workings of those two systems... like their RFC (If they exist) I would gladdly look into them and consider incorporating those protocols... right now I'm full of work and I just do not have the time to research.

mvosx1094;510180 said:

Yeah that feature is a must and thnx for backing up my statement Churchpunk. And fedroponce, I have said it earlier but maybe u missed it. To add complete compability with all email types, add the ability to moniter not only pop3 but also Http (MSN/Live) & Imap (yahoo) with this it shall be able to see all the emails not only some like gmail.