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VideoMann 
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Posted 17 November 2002 - 08:27 PM
I have recently had 2 threads being closed at hardwaregeeks.com simply because the community there is afraid to loose the goodwill of a programmer that is allowing them exclusivity (until recently) of the program to their Forum/Site.
It seems that the moderators want total control of opinions on Y's-dock, and fail to understand that is not how you run a Forum. They only want to hear words of praise and thankfulness to Mr. Yamaguchi and not allow any constructive feedback of his program, because in their views it might be negative as the way they see it. On the one hand they potrait Mr. Yamaguchi as a young man making a living and supporting a family doing Y's dock as a purely hobbie endeavour. On the other hand they treat Mr. Yamaguchi as a 2yr old who is not able to accept feedback but only applauses and praise. It's a little sad story for people to manipulate opinion and try to shelter a grown man
by mis-using the concept of respect and disrespect. Anything that you state in hardwaregeeks.com and is not a direct and only praise of the application gets labeled as disrespectful. I think and hope that Mr. Yamaguchi knows quite well what respect means at 20+yr of age, and is not so isolated from world to understand the multiple definitions and subtleties of respect.
This is the post that was banned for a week or so (below), because the moderators said " that Mr. Yamaguchi did not want comparisons of his dock to Mobydock and that was an agreement that they made in their Forum " . They also said that Mr. Yamaguchi was not in competition with any dock. It is unfortunate if those are truly the thoughts of Mr. Yamaguchi, because you cannot be an actor and demand a total private life. You cannot r
elease a program and expect people not to make comparison or comments. Simply because Mr. Yamaguchi may not want to enter a competition does not give him nor anybody else the right to squash opinion.
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I have used Stardock DexktopX, Mobydock, and Yamaguchi's Dock.
I was very impressed by Mobydock. A free dock that energized the excitement for the user to have a resemblance of the MacOSX dock. Mobydock has made several improvements in the 0.6 that made it a smooth, stable dock and it may continue to improve as time goes by.
As of today for me Yamaguchi's dock has an upper edge although Mobydock may catch up.
Strengths of Yamaguchi Dock over Mobydock:
1) You are actually able to squeeze more icons into the dock than with Mobydock. In a computer with 800x600 screen the maximum number of "usable" icons is 10-11 with Mobydock. The maximum number of icons with Yamaguchi 19-20 at 800x600.
2) With Yamaguchi Dock icons can be shifted in position within the dock. With Mobydock icons are more hardcoded and need to edit a text file.
3) Mobydock's ini's files sometimes get corrupted (so a backup is always good)
4) Inserting icons to the dock is easier with Yamaguchi (drag & drop) while with Mobydock a textfile must be modified. Link configuration for both docks is about the same , through a dialog window (very good).
5) Graphic scroll is about the same in quality between the docks, with a slight edge to Yamaguchi
6) Multiple copies of Yamaguchi's dock can be present (on separate folders) ex. one at the bottom , one at right side, etc.
I don't believe Mobydock can do this (multiple copies at the same time).
7) Yamaguchi can be displayed as a vertical dock
What advantages does Mobydock have over Yamaguchi?
1) It has a more Mac like appearance simply because of a triangle at the bottom of the "active=running" applications
2) It
can take a picture of a Window Process and display it in the dock. (Personally I don't like this ===> adds no functional advantage and eats more resources). This is more Mac-like, although the way presently implemented has little function.
3) Mobydock can run on Windows 98 but Yamaguchi requires newer WindowsOS
4) Mobydock may run on slower CPU computers than Yamaguchi. I've heard of Mobydock running well at 700-800MHz .
Although I must say that many reports of people complaining their docks not running properly has nothing to do with the CPU speed but rather conflict with some desktop enhancement app or special mouse software or other running app in the background and sometimes with their graphic card.
5) With Mobydock you can drag a picture to a Photoshop icon and it will open it up. Same with a text file dragged to Word. I don't know if Yamaguchi works like that ( can't try it until I figure how to delete icons from the dock first). If you know please correct me.
Both docks will give you some excitement and function adequately with little problem, and both authors deserve our thanks and praise
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The things that are very much neede by both docks:
1) More Functionality: Easy to configure Pop-Up folders
2) More Functionality: Ability to switch to another dock configuration on the fly. Quick switch
3) Easier implementation of the trash/recycle bin (some report problems with Norton Protected Trash but there are workarounds)
------------------------
What can I say about Stardock DesktopX:
Minuses
1) can be buggy
2) complex to configure
3) may become unstable more often
4) takes more memory to run
5) more work to make icons
6) Got to pay for it!!
Pluses
Highly configurable in functionality and looks.
*************************************************
Mr. Yamaguchi has his own site and has made other programs which have made a
contribution to the computer users all over the world, but he is not well served by people that try to filter and manipulate opinion of his work. In the end the most value commodity a beta tester gets is honest and constructive feedback so he/she can improve, polish, and expand the capability of the program..
They go on to say that I am not thankful to Mr. Yamaguchi but obviously are more interested in controlling opinion than reading my posts at their site. Here is an example of my post for the last version Y's dock .31 :
--------------------------------
"Thanks! Mr. Yamaguchi..a true Honorable Samurai.
How do you configure folders?
Is this a new pop-up feature or not yet?
Are we getting pop-up folder menus or I just misunderstood?
If you know post in the thread -->"Tips & Tricks..?"
Thanks You,
Arrigato
Danke
Gracias
Merci
--------------------------
I count 5 Thank you's in one post alone, but the moderators and the some childish members who rattle but don't read prefer to engage in attacks and censorship..
This is the second feedback that which I posted at hardwaregeeks.com and sent everybody into a nonsensical attack and an attempt to squash opinion by labeling as too negative..
---------------------------------
Y'sdock v.31 shows some performance improvements but little functional improvements.
I see no speed improvements on my machine although some report significant speed improvements. This is more platform dependent.
This version still does not address menu-pop up folders a significant functional issue.
Problems with movie players still persist. Playing WMP will cause Y's dock to blink on & off severely and magnification scrolling will cause the video to fr
eeze temporarily. The same applies to QuickTime
AllwaysOn Top control may be the best functional improvement brought by this version.
All in all a worthwhile upgrade but still leaves major issues unresolved. Althougth we must all understand that it is still a beta program and that it is highly likely that this program will continue to improve and give the user much more capability..
-------------------------------
Believe it or not attacks and comments on the above post made them think it was necessary to close the thread and again squash any opinion other than praise of Mr. Yamaguchi's work.
I think Mr. Yamaguchi's work and talent are being manipulated by the hardwaregeeks.com forum and are in fact doing him a diservice and damaging his personna by squashing opinions they don't want to hear for some unknown reason. Mr. Yamaguchi is not a commodity that people who claim to represent him can manipulate information between him and others. Mr. Yamaguchi is old enough to express his own opinions and chart his own future. Mr. Yamaguchi does not speak English apparently but there are plenty of people in the U.S. and in Asia that know Japanese and English and can represent him better in his communications to the world outside Japan.
Mr. Yamaguchi if you ever find a way to translate this. I'm very thankful for the work you have done but as a user once a program is released in the public domain it is natural and constructive to have and give feedback. Any attempt to manipulate that usually results in the death of a program . Programs that do not receive feedback usually with time do not meet the needs of users and are abandoned.
I wish you much success with Y's dock and any programming endeavour you choose and I hope you find somebody who can better represent you.
If Mr. Yamaguchi is not going to get real feedback from hardwaregeeks.com ,so that his work continues to shine, then it must be posted somewhere else at other Forums that are not so coveteous and manipulative of his goodwill. This is the intention of this post.
More power and best wishes to Mobydock and Mr. Yamaguchi's Y's dock. They are the people that count most in their work..
It seems that the moderators want total control of opinions on Y's-dock, and fail to understand that is not how you run a Forum. They only want to hear words of praise and thankfulness to Mr. Yamaguchi and not allow any constructive feedback of his program, because in their views it might be negative as the way they see it. On the one hand they potrait Mr. Yamaguchi as a young man making a living and supporting a family doing Y's dock as a purely hobbie endeavour. On the other hand they treat Mr. Yamaguchi as a 2yr old who is not able to accept feedback but only applauses and praise. It's a little sad story for people to manipulate opinion and try to shelter a grown man
by mis-using the concept of respect and disrespect. Anything that you state in hardwaregeeks.com and is not a direct and only praise of the application gets labeled as disrespectful. I think and hope that Mr. Yamaguchi knows quite well what respect means at 20+yr of age, and is not so isolated from world to understand the multiple definitions and subtleties of respect.
This is the post that was banned for a week or so (below), because the moderators said " that Mr. Yamaguchi did not want comparisons of his dock to Mobydock and that was an agreement that they made in their Forum " . They also said that Mr. Yamaguchi was not in competition with any dock. It is unfortunate if those are truly the thoughts of Mr. Yamaguchi, because you cannot be an actor and demand a total private life. You cannot r
elease a program and expect people not to make comparison or comments. Simply because Mr. Yamaguchi may not want to enter a competition does not give him nor anybody else the right to squash opinion.
************************************************
I have used Stardock DexktopX, Mobydock, and Yamaguchi's Dock.
I was very impressed by Mobydock. A free dock that energized the excitement for the user to have a resemblance of the MacOSX dock. Mobydock has made several improvements in the 0.6 that made it a smooth, stable dock and it may continue to improve as time goes by.
As of today for me Yamaguchi's dock has an upper edge although Mobydock may catch up.
Strengths of Yamaguchi Dock over Mobydock:
1) You are actually able to squeeze more icons into the dock than with Mobydock. In a computer with 800x600 screen the maximum number of "usable" icons is 10-11 with Mobydock. The maximum number of icons with Yamaguchi 19-20 at 800x600.
2) With Yamaguchi Dock icons can be shifted in position within the dock. With Mobydock icons are more hardcoded and need to edit a text file.
3) Mobydock's ini's files sometimes get corrupted (so a backup is always good)
4) Inserting icons to the dock is easier with Yamaguchi (drag & drop) while with Mobydock a textfile must be modified. Link configuration for both docks is about the same , through a dialog window (very good).
5) Graphic scroll is about the same in quality between the docks, with a slight edge to Yamaguchi
6) Multiple copies of Yamaguchi's dock can be present (on separate folders) ex. one at the bottom , one at right side, etc.
I don't believe Mobydock can do this (multiple copies at the same time).
7) Yamaguchi can be displayed as a vertical dock
What advantages does Mobydock have over Yamaguchi?
1) It has a more Mac like appearance simply because of a triangle at the bottom of the "active=running" applications
2) It
can take a picture of a Window Process and display it in the dock. (Personally I don't like this ===> adds no functional advantage and eats more resources). This is more Mac-like, although the way presently implemented has little function.
3) Mobydock can run on Windows 98 but Yamaguchi requires newer WindowsOS
4) Mobydock may run on slower CPU computers than Yamaguchi. I've heard of Mobydock running well at 700-800MHz .
Although I must say that many reports of people complaining their docks not running properly has nothing to do with the CPU speed but rather conflict with some desktop enhancement app or special mouse software or other running app in the background and sometimes with their graphic card.
5) With Mobydock you can drag a picture to a Photoshop icon and it will open it up. Same with a text file dragged to Word. I don't know if Yamaguchi works like that ( can't try it until I figure how to delete icons from the dock first). If you know please correct me.
Both docks will give you some excitement and function adequately with little problem, and both authors deserve our thanks and praise
-------------------------------
The things that are very much neede by both docks:
1) More Functionality: Easy to configure Pop-Up folders
2) More Functionality: Ability to switch to another dock configuration on the fly. Quick switch
3) Easier implementation of the trash/recycle bin (some report problems with Norton Protected Trash but there are workarounds)
------------------------
What can I say about Stardock DesktopX:
Minuses
1) can be buggy
2) complex to configure
3) may become unstable more often
4) takes more memory to run
5) more work to make icons
6) Got to pay for it!!
Pluses
Highly configurable in functionality and looks.
*************************************************
Mr. Yamaguchi has his own site and has made other programs which have made a
contribution to the computer users all over the world, but he is not well served by people that try to filter and manipulate opinion of his work. In the end the most value commodity a beta tester gets is honest and constructive feedback so he/she can improve, polish, and expand the capability of the program..
They go on to say that I am not thankful to Mr. Yamaguchi but obviously are more interested in controlling opinion than reading my posts at their site. Here is an example of my post for the last version Y's dock .31 :
--------------------------------
"Thanks! Mr. Yamaguchi..a true Honorable Samurai.
How do you configure folders?
Is this a new pop-up feature or not yet?
Are we getting pop-up folder menus or I just misunderstood?
If you know post in the thread -->"Tips & Tricks..?"
Thanks You,
Arrigato
Danke
Gracias
Merci
--------------------------
I count 5 Thank you's in one post alone, but the moderators and the some childish members who rattle but don't read prefer to engage in attacks and censorship..
This is the second feedback that which I posted at hardwaregeeks.com and sent everybody into a nonsensical attack and an attempt to squash opinion by labeling as too negative..
---------------------------------
Y'sdock v.31 shows some performance improvements but little functional improvements.
I see no speed improvements on my machine although some report significant speed improvements. This is more platform dependent.
This version still does not address menu-pop up folders a significant functional issue.
Problems with movie players still persist. Playing WMP will cause Y's dock to blink on & off severely and magnification scrolling will cause the video to fr
eeze temporarily. The same applies to QuickTime
AllwaysOn Top control may be the best functional improvement brought by this version.
All in all a worthwhile upgrade but still leaves major issues unresolved. Althougth we must all understand that it is still a beta program and that it is highly likely that this program will continue to improve and give the user much more capability..
-------------------------------
Believe it or not attacks and comments on the above post made them think it was necessary to close the thread and again squash any opinion other than praise of Mr. Yamaguchi's work.
I think Mr. Yamaguchi's work and talent are being manipulated by the hardwaregeeks.com forum and are in fact doing him a diservice and damaging his personna by squashing opinions they don't want to hear for some unknown reason. Mr. Yamaguchi is not a commodity that people who claim to represent him can manipulate information between him and others. Mr. Yamaguchi is old enough to express his own opinions and chart his own future. Mr. Yamaguchi does not speak English apparently but there are plenty of people in the U.S. and in Asia that know Japanese and English and can represent him better in his communications to the world outside Japan.
Mr. Yamaguchi if you ever find a way to translate this. I'm very thankful for the work you have done but as a user once a program is released in the public domain it is natural and constructive to have and give feedback. Any attempt to manipulate that usually results in the death of a program . Programs that do not receive feedback usually with time do not meet the needs of users and are abandoned.
I wish you much success with Y's dock and any programming endeavour you choose and I hope you find somebody who can better represent you.
If Mr. Yamaguchi is not going to get real feedback from hardwaregeeks.com ,so that his work continues to shine, then it must be posted somewhere else at other Forums that are not so coveteous and manipulative of his goodwill. This is the intention of this post.
More power and best wishes to Mobydock and Mr. Yamaguchi's Y's dock. They are the people that count most in their work..
#3
Goku
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Posted 17 November 2002 - 09:36 PM
hi videomann,
before i start i'd like to thank you for the POLL. was a nice thing.
i saw those quotes in hwg as well and i actually disagree with you.
first, as much as i'm ironic now and i appologize for it, please post shorter messages...-> not trying to b an ass, but so you know people tend to skip novels (which youre famous for) in general.
second, hwg is a cool place (some disagree) but i like it there, and they have one of the best leading people in the skinning community like marvilla, deadzombie and such. I'm not going to start an argument here, cause its a poll for what we wanna see from yz dock, but honestly you have already made a bad impression on quite a few people, and as much as that poll is trying to be objective, you suddenly quoted stuff from hwg making this post very subjective and personal while making them look like they are manipulating Yz.
They are NOT.
3rd, you havent really quoted all your posts, and here is one lil sentence i found, wasnt hard to find: "All in all a worthwhile upgrade (YZ dock) but still leaves major issues unresolved..." -
that would set off lots of people, knowing you are not a kid nor a ''software reviewer for an $800.00 Adobe application created by a huge team of well paid developers ..".
my friend, we are all a great community and gotta be plain bug reporters rather than raising personal opinions. I just wanna ask you a little favor, i know and everybody knows you like YZ dock, and you appreciate it, but start realizing that when a whole forum is telling you to stop being harsh about it, you gotta stop the negative expressions already (not everything is, but you got quite a novels up there) cause otherwise it will just harm the community and yourself.
PLEASE everybody else, we dont need a sticky **** for rules (im talking mostly to the newer ppl here and some other surprising known members who incrediebly did similar ****) -->
Posting bugs and errors is a MUST and essential for the author to make the appli better, but saying "Y'sdock v.31 shows some performance improvements but little functional improvements.......All in all a worthwhile upgrade but still leaves major issues unresolved"or "no offense, but the sherlock screenshots look sooooooooooooooooo fake. try harder next time (by betaguy900)- ARE WORNG AND WILL BE CLEANSED so i promise.
GOKU
before i start i'd like to thank you for the POLL. was a nice thing.
i saw those quotes in hwg as well and i actually disagree with you.
first, as much as i'm ironic now and i appologize for it, please post shorter messages...-> not trying to b an ass, but so you know people tend to skip novels (which youre famous for) in general.
second, hwg is a cool place (some disagree) but i like it there, and they have one of the best leading people in the skinning community like marvilla, deadzombie and such. I'm not going to start an argument here, cause its a poll for what we wanna see from yz dock, but honestly you have already made a bad impression on quite a few people, and as much as that poll is trying to be objective, you suddenly quoted stuff from hwg making this post very subjective and personal while making them look like they are manipulating Yz.
They are NOT.
3rd, you havent really quoted all your posts, and here is one lil sentence i found, wasnt hard to find: "All in all a worthwhile upgrade (YZ dock) but still leaves major issues unresolved..." -
that would set off lots of people, knowing you are not a kid nor a ''software reviewer for an $800.00 Adobe application created by a huge team of well paid developers ..".
my friend, we are all a great community and gotta be plain bug reporters rather than raising personal opinions. I just wanna ask you a little favor, i know and everybody knows you like YZ dock, and you appreciate it, but start realizing that when a whole forum is telling you to stop being harsh about it, you gotta stop the negative expressions already (not everything is, but you got quite a novels up there) cause otherwise it will just harm the community and yourself.
PLEASE everybody else, we dont need a sticky **** for rules (im talking mostly to the newer ppl here and some other surprising known members who incrediebly did similar ****) -->
Posting bugs and errors is a MUST and essential for the author to make the appli better, but saying "Y'sdock v.31 shows some performance improvements but little functional improvements.......All in all a worthwhile upgrade but still leaves major issues unresolved"or "no offense, but the sherlock screenshots look sooooooooooooooooo fake. try harder next time (by betaguy900)- ARE WORNG AND WILL BE CLEANSED so i promise.
GOKU
#5
VideoMann
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Posted 17 November 2002 - 11:07 PM
Goku:
I did not say this:
""no offense, but the sherlock screenshots look sooooooooooooooooo fake. "
Let's not mix and match what I said with comments made by others. I never said that so I don't know where that is coming from.
Yes you are right that my comments are long. Yes some have every right to fall asleep or click to the next thread, but nobody has the right to censor an opinion simply because a member or a moderator disagree. If a Forum is not going to allow expression of opinion then it is not a Forum.
Are you trying to tell me that what I stated as a review of Y's dock is not truthful? Are you saying people should not be allowed to post opinions? Are you saying individuals must get member consensus before posting ? Well that is how harwaregeeks.com seems to be operating by closing topics and engaging in putting people down who are making an opinion with substance. A Forum is not a matter of ticking people off. If people get ticked off because they don't agree with a poster then they don't belong in a Forum to begin with. If people get all twisted on a post move-on, but if you engage in debate bring substance to the argument not censorship and petty whinning.
I did not quote all the posts because then it would be 3x larger than this. But what you said I didn't quote, I in fact did 3/4 of the way down.
I'm not trying to continue a war here or expand on an issue, but if anybody doesn't agree with the substance of a review or position, the right thing to do is to express your own opinion with facts as to why the previous review is faulty or not representative of your experience. Instead the moderator and some of the community begin a negative attack on the poster as being negative rather than discussing the substance of the post. That to me is a very bad way to run a Forum. It is a mistake
to intimidate people in a Forum simply because you don't agree with their opinion,and it is insulting when tactics of casting in a bad light are used rather than to argue on the subject of the post.
You stated
"but honestly you have already made a bad impression on quite a few people, and as much as that poll is trying to be objective, you suddenly quoted stuff from hwg making this post very subjective and personal "
The poll came first, the comment came later because of the narrow view of the hardwaregeeks.com . The poll does not express my likes or dislikes but is an honest attempt for people to have their own voice based on previous comments at this Forum. If anybody feels that somehow the poll is questionable they can conduct their own poll. You have also mentioned that hardwaregeeks.com has some good members, so what!!! I'm not talking about every member. There are people that can see the difference between an evaluation/feedback and others that have some other agenda.
You like hardwaregeeks.com fine. I don't like them after the kind of censorship they practice. If every opinion on Y's dock needs moderator approval, and if not agreeing on a topic means closure of the topic then to me that is censorship and yes a manipulation of Y's dock.
I did not say this:
""no offense, but the sherlock screenshots look sooooooooooooooooo fake. "
Let's not mix and match what I said with comments made by others. I never said that so I don't know where that is coming from.
Yes you are right that my comments are long. Yes some have every right to fall asleep or click to the next thread, but nobody has the right to censor an opinion simply because a member or a moderator disagree. If a Forum is not going to allow expression of opinion then it is not a Forum.
Are you trying to tell me that what I stated as a review of Y's dock is not truthful? Are you saying people should not be allowed to post opinions? Are you saying individuals must get member consensus before posting ? Well that is how harwaregeeks.com seems to be operating by closing topics and engaging in putting people down who are making an opinion with substance. A Forum is not a matter of ticking people off. If people get ticked off because they don't agree with a poster then they don't belong in a Forum to begin with. If people get all twisted on a post move-on, but if you engage in debate bring substance to the argument not censorship and petty whinning.
I did not quote all the posts because then it would be 3x larger than this. But what you said I didn't quote, I in fact did 3/4 of the way down.
I'm not trying to continue a war here or expand on an issue, but if anybody doesn't agree with the substance of a review or position, the right thing to do is to express your own opinion with facts as to why the previous review is faulty or not representative of your experience. Instead the moderator and some of the community begin a negative attack on the poster as being negative rather than discussing the substance of the post. That to me is a very bad way to run a Forum. It is a mistake
to intimidate people in a Forum simply because you don't agree with their opinion,and it is insulting when tactics of casting in a bad light are used rather than to argue on the subject of the post.
You stated
"but honestly you have already made a bad impression on quite a few people, and as much as that poll is trying to be objective, you suddenly quoted stuff from hwg making this post very subjective and personal "
The poll came first, the comment came later because of the narrow view of the hardwaregeeks.com . The poll does not express my likes or dislikes but is an honest attempt for people to have their own voice based on previous comments at this Forum. If anybody feels that somehow the poll is questionable they can conduct their own poll. You have also mentioned that hardwaregeeks.com has some good members, so what!!! I'm not talking about every member. There are people that can see the difference between an evaluation/feedback and others that have some other agenda.
You like hardwaregeeks.com fine. I don't like them after the kind of censorship they practice. If every opinion on Y's dock needs moderator approval, and if not agreeing on a topic means closure of the topic then to me that is censorship and yes a manipulation of Y's dock.
#6
Deciever
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Posted 17 November 2002 - 11:22 PM
this is what I'm sayin no one wants to read a 1000 word essay about somethin that can be summed up in 10 words. Just get over it, it is only censorship and there are plenty of other forums to go to that don't censor the truth and if you make a big deal about the censorship there you'd have a real big fit over what CNN censors. Yes censorship can be an ugly thing and I don't support it but nor do I cry on someones shoulder for an hour. The only thing that I can think of right now that falls under censorship that makes me mad is the twin tower scene that was cut from spider-man and I know the reason but still an internet release other than the trailer would have been nice.
#7
Goku
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Posted 18 November 2002 - 12:19 AM
no dude, (videomann)
check it again: .."no offense, but the sherlock screenshots look sooooooooooooooooo fake. try harder next time (by betaguy900)- "
I never said its yours!! that last paragraph was to all other ppl and your quote was there as well, so what? its nothing against you man..come on.
- please make sure you read CAREFULLY WHAT I SAID. I wrote it in a very easy english language without any biblic literature words.
by the way, betaguy was quoted there incase you didnt see that, though I JUST WANNA ADD A DISCLAIMER,--> he is contrinuting big time and i salute his work and contribution A LOT. just i didnt like his attitude in a certain time so it helped it to bring up another quote. He was sorry and nothing happend!
Videomann, Its all good in the hood, all im asking is to relax the critics (yeah, report bugs, suggestions and wishlist) and thats it, you guys wanna have posts whats better or not, cool - i'll vote but no need to have a tone of complain. Yes, i know you didnt mean it.
Thats all folks, i have nothing against anyone including you videomann..
thank you , our community is important so lets keep the thumbs up a lil more.
GOKU.
p.s. we are all welcome to read duckie's post HERE but again, WE all appreciate any kind of initation to improve the applis.
check it again: .."no offense, but the sherlock screenshots look sooooooooooooooooo fake. try harder next time (by betaguy900)- "
I never said its yours!! that last paragraph was to all other ppl and your quote was there as well, so what? its nothing against you man..come on.
- please make sure you read CAREFULLY WHAT I SAID. I wrote it in a very easy english language without any biblic literature words.
by the way, betaguy was quoted there incase you didnt see that, though I JUST WANNA ADD A DISCLAIMER,--> he is contrinuting big time and i salute his work and contribution A LOT. just i didnt like his attitude in a certain time so it helped it to bring up another quote. He was sorry and nothing happend!
Videomann, Its all good in the hood, all im asking is to relax the critics (yeah, report bugs, suggestions and wishlist) and thats it, you guys wanna have posts whats better or not, cool - i'll vote
but no need to have a tone of complain. Yes, i know you didnt mean it.Thats all folks, i have nothing against anyone including you videomann..
thank you , our community is important so lets keep the thumbs up a lil more.
GOKU.
p.s. we are all welcome to read duckie's post HERE but again, WE all appreciate any kind of initation to improve the applis.
#11
siddharth
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Posted 18 November 2002 - 04:33 AM
Yeah, smaller posts would be appreciated from our elite essay writers.....I read enough essays when I study English as it is.... 
Please understand, I appreciate the input but please try and keep it short an sweet
Siddharth
Please understand, I appreciate the input but please try and keep it short an sweetSiddharth
#12
TheGodfather
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Posted 18 November 2002 - 05:18 AM
Can I get the cliffnotes at barnes and noble or this.. JESUS!
. Nice poll though 
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